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Suspect SV BH Suspect #8: Diancie-Mega

Treeko928

Treeko928

Watch me take my steps
is a Pre-Contributor
:sv/diancie-mega:​
As a result of the HPL III surveys, the Balanced Hackmons council has decided to suspect test Diancie-Mega. Diancie-Mega has been a controversial presence in the tier since it was unbanned with Groudon-Primal and Kartana. Its main set is Pixilate, with Boomburst hitting a majority of the tier for big damage, notably 2HKOing Groudon-Primal with rocks up and a Pixie Plate, as well as Extreme Speed letting it also function as a revenge killer while hitting Ice Scales pokemon for big damage. Pyro Ball lets it break past steels like Registeel and Celesteela while Steam Eruption lets it OHKO Groudon-Primal and pressure Primordial Sea steels. Both of these moves can be run in tandem as well, making it difficult for the opponent to handle Diancie-Mega even if they do stack walls. Population Bomb can also be run over Boomburst with Wide Lens, which while struggling into FC Arceus formes, allows it to hit commonly used RegenVest steels for much more damage, notably 2HKOing Celesteela and Registeel after a spike with an Adamant nature. Life Orb can also be run, allowing Diancie-Mega to score 2HKOs on the aforementioned pokemon more reliably, but it's also much more vulnerable to being worn down over the course of a game.

Despite all this, Diancie-Mega has ways to be played around. Although it's difficult to handle with a singular wall, very splashable defensive cores like RegenVest steels + Groudon-Primal + Imposter Chansey can still be effective at staving it off despite not fully walling it on their own. The BH meta has also centralized around powerful breaking forces dismantling teams in general, making its capacity to pick apart defensive cores over time less uniquely problematic. Diancie-Mega also plays a vital role in the tier in revenge killing setup sweepers like Garchomp-Mega, Flutter Mane and Miraidon, making it much harder to consistently deal with that archetype should it leave.

While Diancie-Mega is a powerful force in the tier that doubles as a strong revenge killer, it can be staved off by common defensive cores long enough for your own breakers to win. The reliability of these cores has been called into question though, which has encouraged this suspect test.

Requirements:

Create a new account on PS. You do not have to follow any specific naming convention, but your suspect account must have never played a game in Gen 9 Balanced Hackmons before this suspect test went up or you will not receive valid requirements (resetting W/L does not count for this - the account you use must never have played BH before the test, full stop.)
At any point on your new account, use the command /linksmogon on Pokemon Showdown! You will receive instructions on what to do once you run this command.
Double check that you're listed as a voter here! If you aren't listed as a voter despite having valid reqs, please contact Giagantic, dhelmise or a member of staff.

The requirement to vote in this suspect test is a COIL value of 2850 (b-value 5). The deadline for getting requirements will be <t:1794027599:F>

Voting:
Once the suspect period is over, everyone who has obtained reqs will be tagged. The post will then outline a process of blind voting, which will be clarified once the time arrives. For now, follow the above "Requirements" subheading to ensure that you have achieved requirements and linked your account

A supermajority (>=60%) of implement votes is required to ban Mega Diancie from Balanced Hackmons

TLDR:
- The COIL value is 2850
- You must ladder on a newly-created alt of any name
- You must link your suspect alt with your smogon account using /linksmogon
- The suspect test will run conclude <t:1794027599:F>
 
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I was laddering and I keep encountering this team non-stop. I don't know who made it but the team is really really good and wins a lot. The builder must be very smart and have profound knowledge and insight. The pilots are effortless, they just paralyse every mon and click nasty plot once with miraidon. Then, the entire opposing team gets deleted before you can even blink.

Maybe we should vote do not ban on Diancie?
 
The Guy Who Has Many Alts said:
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I was laddering and I keep encountering this team non-stop. I don't know who made it but the team is really really good and wins a lot. The builder must be very smart and have profound knowledge and insight. The pilots are effortless, they just paralyse every mon and click nasty plot once with miraidon. Then, the entire opposing team gets deleted before you can even blink.

Maybe we should vote do not ban on Diancie?
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this is so funny
 
I voted no ban on Diancie-Mega because of 4 reasons:

1. Out of Primal Groudon, Kartana and Mega Diancie, it is by far the least impactful in a standalone meta where the other two are banned. All you really need to check it is a RegenVest steel and Imposter/PixiBurst sponges paired with a few pokemon who can tank a coverage move and safely kill it. It may sound like a bit much but practically every competent team does this anyway, its not hard to do with good teambuilding. I'm also open to retesting it in the future but I doubt there'd be enough community support for that.

2. I've never seen a single game where Mega Diancie rips through teams and is actually as scary as people claim it is, most of the time competent players using fat just outoffense, preventing it from getting any actual switch-ins and don't let it do much damage. This isn't a new case either, Mega Garchomp was similarly unwallable in Pre-VC meta with good play, yet no one ever had serious complaints about it because there were many options available to play around it, just like there are many options to play around Mega Diancie now. Feel free to send me a replay where a council member gets thrashed by Mega Diancie while using a competent team if you think I'm wrong about this.

3. Mega Diancie is singlehandedly holding up the "outoffensing" meta because of its revenge killing capabilities. This is reflected by the widespread popularity of Psychic Surge HO this meta, a strategy that primarily exists because the style struggled so much with a common
-atespeeder being in the meta. Psyspam HO was a very annoying presence in the tier, but at least it was limited by its overreliance on Mega Alakazam and Seed/Torch Unburdens generally being weak enough that Strength Sap FCs and Dragon Tail RegenVests respectively could reliably 1v1. Without Mega Diancie these teams will be free to use much stronger pokemon like Speed Boost Palkia, Speed Boost/Magic Bounce Mega Garchomp and Flare Boost Flutter Mane, making offense significantly better and forcing players to prep more to beat it. The only way to beat these kinds of fast setup sweepers will become walling them. This limits teams that can't afford to fit their walls like Topsy FCs or Ice Scales because of how passive they are, forcing them to just accept the bad MU in the builder instead of changing one of their breaker slots to fix it. I know most of you haven't seen these pokemon in months so here are a few replays as a refresher.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-886919?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-889935
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-893359
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-902744?p2

You'll notice that none of these replays are from our current metagame (also that my HOs weren't always just psyspam lol), this is because Mega Diancie's mere existence in the tier discourages the use of these types of pokemon, as the arduous process of creating setup opportunities can be made useless with the threat of PixiSpeed easily, leaving the setup user vulnerable to losing first. I say this because these types of pokemon will become more popular should Mega Diancie be unbanned, making teambuilding more restrictive than not. Some of you might be asking "If these setup sweepers are so broken, why not just ban them?". The problem with this idea is that doing that would require banning Nasty Plot, Speed Boost and every Dragon Dance clone. I don't think you need a council member to tell you that's never getting enough traction to get passed so we'll just have to deal with it.

4. Banning Mega Diancie would additionally encourage the matchup fishing breaker microgames we had in pre-VC meta, as if wallbreakers that can't reliably some force progress into every defensive core aren't in the tier, players will be forced to fish with the breakers that are available to do it instead. I know this is already a part of the metagame to an extent, but at least now both sides have access to such powerful wallbreakers that its possible to win faster and outplay bad matchups. If this happens, nearly every game will be decided at lead based on which teams breaker has the better matchup into the opposing teams defensive core, or both teams can't make any progress which lead into 200 turn games that only end if 1 player gets haxxed so hard they can't play anymore, like an Ice Beam freeze in a TH Arceus war or a lucky crit on your opponents dedicated FC or RegenVest. I don't believe these problems can go away without the presence of powerful, reliable wallbreakers, that still require thought to use in the tier like Mega Diancie. Attempting to ban any pokemon that's good at breaking balance will only lead to non-games decided by who prepped better.

TL;DR
Mega Diancie is the least broken between it, Primal Groudon and Kartana
Mega Diancie can be played around and prepped against much easier than people claim
Mega Diancie plays a crucial role in limiting the usage of fast setup sweepers that are typically very annoying for most teams to deal with
Mega Diancie actively prevents the meta from regressing into an extremely MU fishy state
 
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“Isn’t there a saying,​

heaven will always leave a path for you, as long as I want to walk, there will be a road for me to step on!”​


Everyone was shocked, these words were very familiar, thinking about it,
they realized it was from <<The Legends of Ren Zu>>.<< The Legends of Ren Zu>> chapter three, section three states —

Luo Po valley was a very wide and complex labyrinth, Ren Zu searched for
Northern Dark Ice Soul, who was missing, but he got lost in the labyrinth
himself, even after several days, he did not find a way out.

He was extremely tired, he had sprawled on the ground, his back leaning
against the walls of the labyrinth.

A feeling of boundless loneliness quickly engulfed him.
This was because he had given his original heart to hope, right now, he only
had a heart of loneliness left.

The feeling of loneliness was unbearable, Ren Zu was afraid of being
lonely, he had once dug out both of his eyes and turned them into a son and
daughter to accompany him.

But right now, he could only endure the torture of loneliness.
Amidst the loneliness, Ren Zu felt intense desolation, loss, and pain. Time
seemed to have stopped, he was all alone in this world, there was nobody he
could rely on, there was no fire that he could gain warmth from.

Ren Zu felt suffocation, but as time passed, he got used to the feeling of
loneliness, he even started to savor it.
He started to feel that loneliness was not that scary.

In his loneliness, he felt serenity, peace, and quiet.
He talked to himself: “Oh human, what is the purpose of your existence?
Struggling here in this world, rushing about everywhere.”

Next, he heard a voice from beside him: “Oh human, you are the spirit of all
beings. You are lonely, thus you wanted to be comforted, to be understood,
to be recognised.
Right now, the thing you want to do most is to find the
way out of this damned place.”

Ren Zu was shocked: “Who, who is talking to me?”
That voice laughed as it said: “I am a Gu, called ‘self’. If you look inside
yourself, you will find me.”
Ren Zu quickly inspected his heart of loneliness, as expected, in the deepest
part of his heart, he saw a Gu worm.

This Gu looked very real, almost like himself, but it was many times
smaller than him, like the size of an ant.
Ren Zu was curious: “Eh, you are a Gu worm, why are you inside my
body?”

Self Gu said: “Ever since you gained life, I had been inside your body, you
just did not discover me. It is not easy to find me, you will need to inspect
your inner heart of loneliness.
“Is that so.” Ren Zu had little interest, he was quite indifferent about this as
his mind was entirely concerned with Northern Dark Ice Soul.

Self Gu saw Ren Zu’s lack of concern and laughed: “Oh Ren Zu, you
should be happy. You should know, finding yourself and understanding
yourself, that is the most important thing in life. You yourself are the most
reliable thing in the world, let me help you leave this place.”

“You can help me leave this place? No way, can you bring me out of Luo
Po valley, and travel in the reverse flow river?” Ren Zu was shocked and
excited.

Self Gu laughed heartily: “Oh Ren Zu, why must you walk on this road?
The door of life and death’s entrance and exit are the traces left behind by
fate Gu when it visited fairness Gu. When you walk on this road, you will
be under the manipulation and arrangement of fate. If you want to revive, to
leave this place, you should walk on a brand new road.”

Ren Zu was perplexed: “Isn’t there only one road? Wisdom Gu had already
told me that, where can there be a second road?”Self Gu said: “Oh Ren Zu, as long as you want to walk, there will be a road
for you to step on.”

Ren Zu was even more confused now: “Then how should I walk?”
Self Gu said: “Didn’t I say it already, first, you have to ‘think’ about
leaving.”

“Think?” Ren Zu tried using his brain, thinking of how to move on.
He thought for half a day, his head was bursting, when finally, a Gu jumped
out of his mind.
This Gu was an old friend of Ren Zu, it was cognition Gu.

“Where there is cognition, there is me.” Cognition Gu said: “Oh human,
you seem to have gotten into trouble again, let me help you think.”
Saying so, cognition Gu gave off a bright light, enlightening Ren Zu.
Cognition Gu had an ability, that was to enlighten all beings. Any lifeform
enlightened by cognition Gu would gain wings.

Back then, Verdant Great Sun obtained the wings of “self”, flying into the
sky.
When the light dispersed, Ren Zu obtained a pair of wings.
This pair of wings was located at his heels, they were very delicate.
Cognition noted: “Mm, this pair of wings is called independence, Ren Zu, it
will help you walk on a new road. You have to be careful, a new road is
hard to walk on, other Gu are unreliable, you can only rely on your self
Gu.”

Saying so, cognition Gu vanished.
Ren Zu was still very much confused: “How should I walk?”

Walk ahead, and carve the path of your road of life. This is a road that is
unique to yourself! Only you can walk on it!” Self Gu said excitedly.

Ren Zu took the first step forward.

It seems that everybody wants Diancie banned, but does it truly deserve a ban? From what I've seen, everyone is fixated on the idea that Diancie is unwallable. I only half-agree with this idea. Diancie is only unwallable if you want are relying on only one mon to deal with all of its coverage move. There are a few things that limit it:

1. Imposter is almost always a safe switchin at full.

2. You can only run 2 coverage moves.

3. You have to imposterproof your own Diancie.

With that being said, I think we should consider if it's possible to delegate the task of walling Diancie to several mons. The easiest example is Registeel + Imposter. Registeel comes in on Boomburst and then Imposter comes in on a fire move. Or maybe Pdon comes into Espeed and Water Arc comes in on a water move or Headlong Rush. This requires prediction but if you think about it like this, Diancie actually becomes manageable.

Now the next issue is Diancie's influence on fast and frail offensive mons. To be honest, the trivial solution is to run Bulwark but it's hard to fit. I will say that Diancie is usually not strong enough to OHKO from full with Espeed unless it's super effective. Notably it's difficult to revenge kill speed boosted Kart or Pdon which are two of the very best offensive mons available.

Now let's talk about what to do against Diancie. Below I have laid out the entire kitchen and blueprints on anti-Diancie technology. I hope that by presenting this, we can truly see if Diancie is broken. What I will highlight is that these sets do not just wall Diancie. They all have other purposes and are meant to be supplementary with each other or your own Diancie walls. I will briefly explain the sets as well as what other things they can do.

As they say, as long as you have the will to walk, heaven will lay down a path for you to step on. Let us see if Diancie can defy all odds and go against heaven.

:Sv/toxapex:
Toxapex @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Strength Sap
- Pain Split / Topsy-Turvy
- Teleport
- Salt Cure / Topsy-Turvy

Partially walls: :koraidon::zamazenta::groudon-primal::arceus-ghost:
Note: cannot take too many hits.


:sv/nihilego:
Nihilego @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Revelation Dance
- Shore Up
- Toxic Spikes
- Burning Bulwark / Topsy-Turvy

Partially also walls: :arceus-ghost::eternatus:
Note: cannot take Ground move.


:sv/arceus-steel:
Arceus-Steel @ Fist Plate
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Revelation Dance
- Judgment

Note: cannot wall Pdon or Diancie with Blue Flare. I recommend running this with :Ho-oh: or :Salamence-mega:


:sv/ho-oh:
Ho-Oh @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Ice Scales
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Calm Nature
- Revelation Dance
- Mortal Spin
- Topsy-Turvy
- Recover

Partially also walls: :arceus-ghost::groudon-primal::
Note: cannot take Knock Off unless your removal is impeccable. Need another mon to wall utility versions. Also cannot wall Surging Strikes or Stone Axe Diancie.


:sv/melmetal:
Melmetal @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gigaton Hammer
- Nuzzle
- Salt Cure
- U-turn

Note: unironically takes less damage from Diancie compared to Registeel. Slower than Registeel and Ting-Lu. Better into greninja. Definitely worth exploring.


:sv/victini:
Victini @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Future Sight
- Strength Sap
- Mortal Spin
- Torch Song

Partially also walls: :Kartana:
Note: cannot take Steam Eruption, but is faster than neutral Diancie and Kartana. Weak to knock off, you also cannot let this get knocked.


:sv/venusaur-mega:
Venusaur-Mega @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Triage
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Strength Sap
- Matcha Gotcha
- Topsy-Turvy / Torch Song
- Knock Off

Note: easily baits in regenvests, take advantage of this with Knock and Matcha to burn. You can one tap Diancie with a bit of chip. Nasty Plot Belch is for optimists.


:sv/groudon-primal:
Groudon-Primal @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fire Lash
- Mortal Spin
- Precipice Blades
- Strength Sap

Note: my favourite pdon set, you have to see it to believe it. Lures and kills every mon ever, trust me.
 
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Unlike these cowards that hide their teams under their bed, my magnanimity and benevolence extends to you.

This is a completely original team. It has a very unique selection of mons including Arceus, Flutter Mane, Zamazenta, Registeel and Chansey. Truly, a marvel of engineering ingenuity. So how do you use the team? Consider yourself warned, unlocking this team's potential requires overclocking your brain and unprecedented levels of sheer concentration, determination and will. Do not be surprised if you lose every game, it is very difficult to pilot. What you must do is bring in Kartana and hover your mouse over a steel move, then click it (careful, there are three of them!). Not only that, you also have to go to your Arceus or Flutter Mane on their physical wall. Finally, you have to do this MULTIPLE times in ONE game... and possibly throw in some predictions and hard switch your Kartana in a slow mon. I daresay we have not seen this level of difficulty since Band Chicken. See you on top of the ladder, king.

"Isn't there a saying, heaven will always leave a path for you, as long as I want to walk, there will be a road for me to step on!"​

岂不闻天无绝人之路，只要我想走，路就在脚下​

 
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decent record imo, beat some ppl like hallward and a few others along the way. to the person who ran prank twave hex tina i will remember you!!!!

diancie is not mid btw, its just alt name (yes some people lectured me on that)

voting ban
 
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I am in firm belief that Mega-Diancie plays a part in how oppressive the current meta can be. I'm voting ban.

I appreciate Hallward offering a number of anti-diancie tech, but for me personally I'm not exactly using any of that because... Well, running mono bug kinda limits that. Unfortunately, I feel like even for people that aren't limiting theirself with a funny self imposed challenge, most of those sets kinda just get destroyed by:
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peedon.​

Primal-Groudon Mold Breaker set with Shift Gear, Precipice Blades, Bitter Blade, and Bolt Strike can beat all of those sets barring the other P-Don. There's nothing stopping a Mega-Diancie user from running this on their own team to cover such checks. And while that's not necessarily Diancie's fault, it calls into question the viability of even fitting any sort of would-be Diancie check on your team aside from P-Don. Frankly, P-Don is within itself an oppressive force in the meta right now. Trying to build a unique team that can handle both of these threats at the same time puts a lot of pressure and restriction of your choices that often times ultimately make a pokemon worse off because of it. A lot of Fur Coat mons are being forced to run Ability Shield when they really want to run something else like Covert Cloak, making mons like Zamazenta getting cheesed out by a Serene Grace Triple Arrows set of all things. I'm all for banning at least one or the other, because then options to handle either of them wouldn't be nearly as restricting.

Please ban Mega-Diancie. If not, well I would like for Primal-Groudon to be called into suspect next at least.
 
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https://pokepast.es/0306b2c26ad4b4db
(change origin pulse -> steam eruption on steelceus, one of my losses was to an untimely origin pulse miss on an sd melmetal)

I won't mince words. I think that if I can go 24-2 with this, there is a lot wrong with not only the tier but the entire suspect process. I did not develop an opinion on Diancie because nobody I faced was playing seriously, including myself. From a purely theoretical perspective I can't see the ban changing a whole lot, it's a very non-disruptive move to make, maybe Ultra or Giratina or mono bug or whatever gets a little better but I don't really care. But also I'm super rusty so don't take anything I say seriously.
 
Lost my x-0 run one game shy of reqs because the Chessking team I was using decided to forego an answer to both of Moldy LO SG PDon and NP Speed Boost Electro Pogre (kek)...

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Regardless, BH ladder was just as mindless as usual and provides close to zero resistance during games. Outside of the few teams that forget their improof there is really nothing to be gleaned about any mon or team comp from ladder, so I am here (as one of the premier BH minds) to say mdia needs to go. Very unhealthy mon in the tier if you actually care about building and playing in a consistent fashion; if you're just some shitter that wants to load the hottest offense and click buttons you probably don't care, but I digress.

Easy BAN vote from myself and hopefully enough others to start making this tier playable again, fortunately this is still a possibility despite some incredibly dense council decisions (please for the love of GOD shake up this council, OM leaders).
 
Fuck finally

I got my reqs. I'm voting BAN
Diancie-M hits like Saitama and Headlong Rush / Pyro Ball destroy steel types. Destroys levitate Primo-groudon after cheaping and modest diancie-m outspeeds he. I'm not an BH player and i don’t want to say shit, so im stopping writting...

Also ban Psychic Surge :/
 
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Treeko928 said:
I voted no ban on Diancie-Mega because of 4 reasons:

1. Out of Primal Groudon, Kartana and Mega Diancie, it is by far the least impactful in a standalone meta where the other two are banned. All you really need to check it is a RegenVest steel and Imposter/PixiBurst sponges paired with a few pokemon who can tank a coverage move and safely kill it. It may sound like a bit much but practically every competent team does this anyway, its not hard to do with good teambuilding. I'm also open to retesting it in the future but I doubt there'd be enough community support for that.

2. I've never seen a single game where Mega Diancie rips through teams and is actually as scary as people claim it is, most of the time competent players using fat just outoffense, preventing it from getting any actual switch-ins and don't let it do much damage. This isn't a new case either, Mega Garchomp was similarly unwallable in Pre-VC meta with good play, yet no one ever had serious complaints about it because there were many options available to play around it, just like there are many options to play around Mega Diancie now. Feel free to send me a replay where a council member gets thrashed by Mega Diancie while using a competent team if you think I'm wrong about this.

3. Mega Diancie is singlehandedly holding up the "outoffensing" meta because of its revenge killing capabilities. This is reflected by the widespread popularity of Psychic Surge HO this meta, a strategy that primarily exists because the style struggled so much with a common
-atespeeder being in the meta. Psyspam HO was a very annoying presence in the tier, but at least it was limited by its overreliance on Mega Alakazam and Seed/Torch Unburdens generally being weak enough that Strength Sap FCs and Dragon Tail RegenVests respectively could reliably 1v1. Without Mega Diancie these teams will be free to use much stronger pokemon like Speed Boost Palkia, Speed Boost/Magic Bounce Mega Garchomp and Flare Boost Flutter Mane, making offense significantly better and forcing players to prep more to beat it. The only way to beat these kinds of fast setup sweepers will become walling them. This limits teams that can't afford to fit their walls like Topsy FCs or Ice Scales because of how passive they are, forcing them to just accept the bad MU in the builder instead of changing one of their breaker slots to fix it. I know most of you haven't seen these pokemon in months so here are a few replays as a refresher

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-886919?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-889935
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-893359
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9balancedhackmons-902744?p2

You'll notice that none of these replays are from our current metagame (also that my HOs weren't always just psyspam lol), this is because Mega Diancie's mere existence in the tier discourages the use of these types of pokemon, as the arduous process of creating setup opportunities can be made useless with the threat of PixiSpeed easily, leaving the setup user vulnerable to losing first. I say this because these types of pokemon will become more popular should Mega Diancie be unbanned, making teambuilding more restrictive than not. Some of you might be asking "If these setup sweepers are so broken, why not just ban them?". The problem with this idea is that doing that would require banning Nasty Plot, Speed Boost and every Dragon Dance clone. I don't think you need a council member to tell you that's never getting enough traction to get passed so we'll just have to deal with it.

4. Banning Mega Diancie would additionally encourage the matchup fishing breaker microgames we had in pre-VC meta, as if wallbreakers that can't reliably some force progress into every defensive core aren't in the tier, players will be forced to fish with the breakers that are available to do it instead. I know this is already a part of the metagame to an extent, but at least now both sides have access to such powerful wallbreakers that its possible to win faster and outplay bad matchups. If this happens, nearly every game will be decided at lead based on which teams breaker has the better matchup into the opposing teams defensive core, or both teams can't make any progress which lead into 200 turn games that only end if 1 player gets haxxed so hard they can't play anymore, like an Ice Beam freeze in a TH Arceus war or a lucky crit on your opponents dedicated FC or RegenVest. I don't believe these problems can go away without the presence of powerful, reliable wallbreakers, that still require thought to use in the tier like Mega Diancie. Attempting to ban any pokemon that's good at breaking balance will only lead to non-games decided by who prepped better.

TL;DR
Mega Diancie is the least broken between it, Primal Groudon and Kartana
Mega Diancie can be played around and prepped against much easier than people claim
Mega Diancie plays a crucial role in limiting the usage of fast setup sweepers that are typically very annoying for most teams to deal with
Mega Diancie actively prevents the meta from regressing into an extremely MU fishy state
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bumping this instead of making a post for more visibility should anyone look into this in the future
 
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