Rejected Reduce timer from 120 seconds to 60 seconds in Random battles

DarkSystemFranco · Friday at 7:16 AM

People keeps copy-pasting the entire pokemon page in chat GPT or Gemini then asking the AI what they should do than use their brain. Sometimes they would fail because some of the pokemons they are searching on my team are either choice-item'ed, a setter, a bulky stabmon that works well in trick room, or something like that... But I would get players who would force these AI chatbots to work hard and tell them what they should do and what their pokemon move sets are, which confuses me because I was winning then suddenly they made me wait 90 seconds to make a move then they would outplay me not by luck but how I will move. And when I found out that they are using chatgpt/gemini, they would play normally or make mistakes, or just play anyways because they already got their answers, which would sometimes trick me because I know what they gonna do and suddenly they won't do that because they didn't use chatgpt/gemini after that which scares me a lot or make me triggered because they are taking too long. And my only way of winning now is if the pokemon misses their attack and then I would win which is depending or hoping luck would hit me.

I sometimes make mistake or tunnel vision, not because I played without a plan, it's because these users take too long. Giving them 120 seconds is literally wasting time and allowing them to cheat using Ai chatbots.

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DarkSystemFranco · Friday at 7:22 AM

And I use Gemini to ask it daily questions like how much KM does my motorcycle need an oil change, and how to fix something so I can predict what the AI will spat out if they try to put my Random Pokemon Team in chatgpt, claude, or gemini since I know how these AI chatbot talk so I avoid doing the first thing it would probably spat out and do the opposite which wins me the game WITHOUT using or opening it, I'm just hoping these robots would follow the first thing the AI would spat out in their language model after googling what those Pokemons are in lightning millisecond-speed.

I clicked 'I don't want to play with AI bots', and I still get to play with them because you allow these player to use chatgpt like allowing Pokemon Scalpers to bulk buy entire boxes than setting a limit to two per customers.

iforgetwhyimhere · Friday at 7:30 AM

People use that time to... actually think. It's been proven many times that LLMs are awful at making game sense decisions, especially in something like Pokemon where there is no objective "best move", but the topic of botting in battles has been done to death, so I'm not elaborating further here.
The issue of botting is still developing as time passes, but the solution is not to lower the timer so legitimate players can't think as long.
The timer exists to force you to play, but not forcefully enough that you don't get time to think. If you want a faster game with a lower timer, might I suggest the 20 second Random Battle Blitz?

DarkSystemFranco · Friday at 7:35 AM

And some of them never made a move before 30 seconds, because the AI took too long to give them an answer. The game automatically gave me the win because they never moved, I thought it was lag that caused it, they just took too long before they could press a button and I wasn't even winning or losing, the opponent I have is just scared to lose or something like that.

Some of them just fed it a lot of words in one document/ai chatbot tab with replays and what the pokemons have, and would just copy-paste the entire battle to gemini and make sure they get a good answer from it because the AI learned too well from its previous convo history, because of this the AI was able to tell what these player. Worst of all, they can accelerate the Ai's brain by paying a subscription under 20 dollars so it can make strong answers without any limitations.

iforgetwhyimhere said:
People use that time to... actually think. It's been proven many times that LLMs are awful at making game sense decisions, especially in something like Pokemon where there is no objective "best move", but the topic of botting in battles has been done to death, so I'm not elaborating further here.
The issue of botting is still developing as time passes, but the solution is not to lower the timer so legitimate players can't think as long.
The timer exists to force you to play, but not forcefully enough that you don't get time to think. If you want a faster game with a lower timer, might I suggest the 20 second Random Battle Blitz?

fiish · Friday at 9:16 AM

DarkSystemFranco said:
And some of them never made a move before 30 seconds, because the AI took too long to give them an answer. The game automatically gave me the win because they never moved, I thought it was lag that caused it, they just took too long before they could press a button and I wasn't even winning or losing, the opponent I have is just scared to lose or something like that.

Some of them just fed it a lot of words in one document/ai chatbot tab with replays and what the pokemons have, and would just copy-paste the entire battle to gemini and make sure they get a good answer from it because the AI learned too well from its previous convo history, because of this the AI was able to tell what these player. Worst of all, they can accelerate the Ai's brain by paying a subscription under 20 dollars so it can make strong answers without any limitations.

how do you know what they're doing? are you looking at their computer?

xzeroxman · Friday at 9:43 AM

We have gone over this before with Django's thread here. It was rejected because computers are actually typically better under time constraints to approximate than humans. It is a short sighted suggestion as the technology improves and most importantly, it impacts the real users that are just trying to use their time to think for which there are many times more prevalent than the "cheaters" for which you currently are lacking proof for.