ikr :] sheik is damn good. Greninja's pretty good as well, he has the second highest jump of all characters :]
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Politoad
Politoad
at first I thought you were takling about accelgor :P
aVocado
greninja's shit sadly
aVocado
pre-nerf it was probably easily top 5
Politoad
not really imo, you have worse characters
Politoad
what was the nerf?
aVocado
they nerfed it's up smash (it was one of the best moves in the game), added lag or something to water shuriken (not sure but they did nerf it), removed dair lag cancelling with shadow sneak, and recently removed running shadow sneak
Politoad
dangit that sucks. Regardless, I still find his upsmash p decent, tbh. Shadow Sneak, meh, I don't like the move, I don't use it often. Regardless, I think Greninja is mid-tier and i main him :] (along with sheik which is probs best charac in the game)