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Anything that prevents your opponent's Volt Switch Rotom from styling all over your team is good in my book.

it cant stay in if its choiced. not every rotom-h is choiced. 1/2 of the sets on the analysis are not choiced and mane can hardly risk switching into specs overheat

Obviously. Scouting movesets first is always necessary and even if you misspredict and run face first into an Overheat. Now the oven is choiced with -2 SAtk. Their is enough stuff that can punish that...

The section is called "CHECKS and counters". Preventing choice Rotom from doing one of the best things it can do (create momentum with Volt Switch) can be considered a check imo.

yeah but anything could switch into an overheat and die thats not that special.

That all being said, I have no stake in this and am not responsible for the analyses. Whatever you guys decide is fine with me.

True, but its not like Overheat is a spammable move in the first place. Your opponent will be forced to decide correctly every time you could go into Manectric.

we clearly just have different views of how strong the check should be. i just think that if a pokemon is gonna be put in the section it should be able to actually beat it. and i think there are pokemon out there that can still stop volt switches while actually beating rotom. i understand what mane does and i agree with you that it can be useful, i just dont think its enough to put in the section, especially just by itself.

Choiced Rotom's main objective is creating momentum. Manectric kills choiced Rotom-H's momentum with ease. Thunderbolt, Volt Switch and Trick are all completely useless. HP Ice won't do much. This leaves Overheat, which gets weaker with every use. No matter what happens, the Rotom-H user will lose his momentum and either be forced to dry switch, be stuck with a weak Hidden Power or a -2 SAtk oven... which will force him to dry switch anyway.

In that case, why should Garchomp be in C&C? It dies to HP Ice, can't really switch into WoW or Sub or Trick...

There are even Water-types listed in Rotom-H's C&C. lol

Anything that prevents your opponent's Volt Switch Rotom from styling all over your team is good in my book.

because garchomp can severly weaken it with rock moves/outrage or just straight up kill if its choice band

Whats preventing the Rotom-H user from switching out?

anything can switch out of anything though? it doesnt mean they're not checks. if that were the case only pokemon with pursuit and shadow tag would be checks & counters

That's exactly my point. Both, Manectric and Garchomp force the switch in the end. Neither can switch into Rotom-H without risking instant death. The only difference is, Manectric is not crippled by WoW, is immune to Trick, is NOT hit super effectively hit by anything, can potentially get a Special Attack boost on the switch and punishes your opponent's switchin, instead of the Rotom-H directly. That's it. Sure Garchomp can Stone Edge, Rock Tomb or Outrage. Doesn't really matter, something on your opponents team takes heavy damage in the end anyway... if it's Rotom-H or not is the other question.

but manectric doesnt force rotom-h to switch all the time. the most common rotoms are non choiced and those arent forced to switch at all. i get that mane can be useful but i think there are other pokemon out there that do the same thing of preventing v switch but do a better job imo. like i said before, we clearly have different opinions and i respect your opinion. this is going nowhere but a full circle, theres no point in discussing it further.

Very well.

On an unrelated note, I still think that CM wars with Suicune are not as black and white against Psyshock CMers as your analysis says. SubProtect easily wins with Pressure stalling and gets a few CM boosts in the process. There is just no way that Cress and or Slowbro break through against SubCM cune.

and also if you wanna talk to tmon about it as well you can if you havent already(and you actually should). just cause i am on the QC team doesnt mean everything i say is right and everyone will agree. there is a reason we require a couple of QC checks, having collective opinions is always good.