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No, just because something has an analysis for a tier it does not mean it should be listed as that tier. That's like saying Buzzwole should be listed as Mix and Mega because it has a Mix and Mega analysis so people know it has an analysis when they click the PU tier. That logic does not apply because the tier tags are not supposed to reflect that a Pokemon has an analysis in said tier, they're just supposed to show

which tier a Pokemon is in by usage. and for Servine, that would be none.

we list the usage tiers they belong in. servine is technically pu by usage (technically zu but w/e) and has an analysis for pu. it should be listed as pu, not have a blank tier. if it didn't have an analysis i would agree with leaving it blank

the mix and mega argument is invalid since it's not a usage based tier

Servine is literally not PU by usage. it has less than 1% usage and it is and NFE mon, so it is not in a tier. Whether or not it has an analysis does not matter.

TDP just informed me that last gen the nfes that were listed as pu on the dex were chosen by hand as being relevant to the metagame, ie. had analyses

sooooooo, servine is being listed as pu

All of those Pokemon were PU by usage. The hand-picked ones were reverted by me and approved by Megazard. If we're going to start playing the "well this person said" game, then I'll get others involved. You didn't need to be so arrogant about this.

yeah i just went and double checked everything for xy, all PU-listed mons are PU by usage.

i'll talk to megazard then, since i highly disagree as it's more restrictive which is bad

by the way, if you had read the analysis for servine, you would notice how outdated it is considering it mentions at least two pokemon who are no longer pu by usage (gastrodon is ou and ferroseed is nu), and it mentions a banned pokemon (pyroar), and compares servine to other bad pu pokemon like jumpluff. i am speaking with PU c&c staff right now and they're reviewing the analysis and might delete it. either way, the

analysis is not an accurate representation to how servine acts in the current pu metagame seeing as it's at least 3 months old and the PU metagame has significantly changed since then. regardless, it's a c- rank pokemon on the vr. so what if it has an analysis? its analysis literally states that its main niche is a bulky defogger but it's outclassed by **actual** PU pokemon like lurantis. and why are you only focused

on servine if that's the case? there are equally as niche pokemon with analyses (natu, pawniard, vigoroth) for PU but they're not being cherrypicked by your standards. If it's such a big deal for NFE pokemon to have tiers, just make an nfe tag. I dislike your logic on how pokemon should just be put into a tier because they seem significant enough to have an analysis (which is stupid by the way if you take a look at

examples like jolteon in ru). if this is the case, why even bother putting mega latios in UUBL? who cares that its not enough usage for ou. its a- rank and it has an analysis, so why arent we focusing on that?

the whole servine's analysis being outdated thing is completely irrelevant to the argument at hand, it has gastro/pyroar mentions because it hasn't been updated, not because we don't care about servine. There's nothing wrong with a jumpluff comparison and lurantis competition is irrelevant. you didn't talk with c&c staff, we have zero plans to delete the analysis

However, I completely agree that it makes no sense to list servine as PU. being PU viable and PU by usage are two fundamentally different things and always have been. the only arguments against this were "servine is PU by usage" which it isn't and something about last gen mons which also turned out to be not true. I don't see how this is unfairly restrictive whatsoever, it's adhering to fundamental tiering principles

I definitely spoke to allstarapology and she is pu c&c staff

I'm not allowing this for past gen stuff, i need people to know what's viable in nu and has analyses

Hootie approved it.

Stop deleting my fucking cms edits