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Guess we're just ignoring the part where I said; "and quite a few mons just straight up threaten/ignore it in reg h." Like, Rain+arch laughs at it, mausape thanks it for the +1 attack and takes at least 50% of its hp off drain punch, 'dozo ohkos with wave crash, psyspam has psychic terrain to...
Feel like Incineroar being in A tier after being on only 1 team in top 8 at Worlds for masters division, and quite a few mons that just straight up threaten/ignore it in reg h is a pretty generous ranking.
Outside of having wide guard and quick guard, there isn't any supporting move it has that you can't find a better user of. Taunt/trick+screens? Grimmsnarl. Encore+Helping hand? Whimsicott. Twave/icy wind? lol there's at least 20 better users. False Swipe Gaming can go into better depth as to why...
I wouldn't say its unviable but it's also not amazing either. Kinda mid-ish? Your miles may vary on how you do, newbies and scrubs will get caught off guard by it but top players will have answers for it.
So, am I wrong in assuming that the new mirror herb is meant to expedite egg moves now? IE: Getting Azumarill belly drum through a picnic with a Hariyama that has the move instead of breeding it with a mon from the poliwag line?
Nobody seems to have bothered with making one. Right now is also an odd time to go making it as the whole meta is about to shift with home's imminent release.
Well 1. Rather hard to offer a way to improve a team when you didn't even offer up what you were looking to improve on in your initial post. What are you struggling against? What have you found to be not pulling its weight? 2. Just because you don't like the answer you're given, doesn't mean...
Pick one. Trick room is already gimmicky enough as it is, wonder room is even gimmickier. The teams that are considered top tier, aren't because they have a strong gimmick. It's because they have strong win conditions no matter the situation.
The win condition of a theoretical double room...
LF 4IV+ spitbacks; G-Ponyta, Larvitar, other Shield exclusives, Stonjourner, HA mons
FT; 4IV+ spitbacks of my own; Isecue(with belly drum and icicle crash), HA Scraggy, HA Eevee (with yawn). Also have a 31/0/31/31/31/0 Quiet Honedge available
Looking for a few things; g-ponyta(preferrably in a moon ball), stonjourner, goomy. Egg moves aren't necessary but won't turn them down either.
FT; 4IV Eiscue in a love ball with Icicle Crash and Belly Drum as egg moves.
LF breedjects, 4IV or lower, not all too concerned about egg moves or what ball is used. A small list of things I'd like; Goomy, Larvitar, G-Ponyta, other shield exclusives.
FT; 4IV breedjects, Honedge, Deino, Bold Rotom, HA Scrafty, and Dreepy