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Yeah they are discussing Zama-C as a potential new unban above due to tera ban

Zama-C is immune to toxic though?

Darkrai is faster than Roaring Moon and has much better coverage. Roaring Moon defensive profile is atrocious and was far more reliant on tera to be good than Darkrai ever was. Roaring Moon likely won't even be that good. It has several crippling weaknesses that it can't fix.

Imagine saying the tier has issues and is hyper offense focused, then asking to bring tera back which does nothing but benefit offense with unreal power creep (and said creep which doesn't last 1 turn like z-moves, doesn't restrict item slot or limited to select known mons like mega Evo). Tera...

TLDR - heavy duty boots is a far better item, and life orb is not good for longevity in a hazard heavy meta, if not using HDB

It's not unhealthy, it's not broken, and it's not even that good. It's being unbanned because it's not banworthy.

Palafin is even slower than walking wake, and has worse coverage. Jet Punch is quite weak without multiple boosts. Palafin has more defensive checks than Wake does, and Wake can also pivot. Not saying wake is as broken, but the choice band calcs are very dumb if used as whole argument.

By this logic Walking Wake should have been quickbanned when it was released.

Tera blast is a non-issue, Kyurem didn't get enough votes to be banned conclusively even with tera blast. And most mons have no use for tera blast, and TB as a whole isn't too much more uncompetitive than tera type change mechanic itself.

Melmetal and Kingambit don't switch into Garganacl, and would hate trading blows due to Salt Cure chip into steel types (Garganacl is 1 point faster than Mel too)

Nah, Dialga and Palkia are still ass. Zekrom, Kyurem-B and Kyurem-W etc are much better dragons.

I urge the community to keep an eye out for Arceus-Dragon. After 1 DD, mon's a menace. Well timed tera fire by Dragonceus incinerates virtually every check.

Arceus-Dragon is perfect example of something mid in regular Ubers being a massive pain in the ass to deal with in Ubers UU. STAB Dragon + Flare Blitz is unfair with that bulk and Speed, since it has recover on top. After a single DD, only unaware users can handle it. With Zacian on decline...

I think the issue is that some UU Ubers Mon, are still very much Ubers but just outclassed by another Uber, and isn't necessarily bad in itself. For example, if certain Uber didnt exist, that Mon might have been a top pick, but now could be strictly worse than the top Uber despite not being bad...

Lunala is better than Necrozma-DW though, and so might be Terapagos.

You're right. Reshiram sucks because other things are better. Lugia sucks because it's shit.

I swear a lot of people saying Miraidon is balanced because of its plethora 'checks' have very little knowledge on Ubers meta aside from the type chart. Miraidon is faster than every single on if its defensive checks (mostly ground and some fairies), and none of them are immune to U-turn. These...

Dondozo can also handle any version of Pao that's not banded. Magearna can probably eat hit from even Banded Pao

We could probably retest gambit once Bolt, Gouging fire and Roaring Moon is taken care of. Bolt is no.1 for me, Gouging and Moon could go either way I'm fine with both