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I'd just like to point out, that as of Gen 7, Gengar can no longer learn Sludge Wave. It can't learn it as a tm in-game, and you can look it up on serebii, it has no way of learning sludge wave anymore. What a weird decision of gamefreak to have it completely walled by any bulletproof mon now.

I actually prefer that set with fly over wild charge and lefties over yache. I actually 6-0d Chimpact with it (I have video proof too)

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The Messiah (Chesnaught) @ Salac Berry Ability: Bulletproof EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Drain Punch - Seed Bomb - Belly Drum - Substitute If Zapdos is weakened, which will most likely be the case because you're expert belt, and rocks are up, you can get 6-0d by this. I sub on...

6-0d by belly drum chesnaught

Gengar @ Life Orb Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Shadow Ball - Sludge Wave - Focus Blast - Taunt Non of the previously mentioned mons can switch into his attacks. Offensive pokemon don't appreciate coming in on a shadow ball. Clefable and Sylveon both get blown...

I basically use Victini to sponge hits and pivot out, mainly Psychics like Zam and Lati@s. I usually click U-Turn until all fire checks are gone. I don't need bolt strike on it, its job is to sponge hits not to take care of water pokemon. And if they want to pursuit trap Victini I'm completely...

Weavile is easy to play around as long as I have rocks up. Two rounds of life orb recoil+SR+Aqua Jet=Dead Weavile. If they want to lead with it before I set up rocks I just Iron Head it. Goodnight Weavile. And Magnezone can't touch Victini. If its scarfed, it does zero and if its specs I can...

Sylveon @ Leftovers Ability: Pixilate EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SpD Bold Nature - Hyper Voice - Wish - Protect - Heal Bell Standard Sylveon set. Not only does it beat both of these mons in a 1v1, it can win even on switch-in. 0 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Manectric...

Anti Weather Teams Gardevoir Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf Ability: Trace EVs: 52 Def / 252 SpA / 204 Spe Timid Nature - Moonblast - Focus Blast - Energy Ball - Psychic/Trick/Destiny Bond/Healing Wish Basically prevents you from losing to sand or rain while still functioning as a decent revenge...

I've always been a fan of unpredictable and innovative sets so I decided to build a team composed mainly of janky sets that people don't expect and it has actually been working out pretty decently. Its not designed to be a top 10 team on the ladder but its a very fun team and actually wins a lot...

This thing coupled with banded Azumarill are literally OU Jesi. Although I run it max sp atk with modest and only 200 speed to outspeed Altaria with the rest dumped into sp def. And protect is definitely a must have with future sight.

Haxtran: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oususpecttest-233680946

Exactly. Its hard to switch in but it still loses to a lot of mons. It doesn't always get kills tho. You can easily predict an earth power and switch in to a flying type'levitate and threaten it out. Just get good at predicting instead of banning something that you lose to, plain and simple...

I don't agree with banning Lando-I. Sure it can come in and usually get a kill, but it gets outsped by a lot of pokemon that can OHKO it back. Lando-I is not the only pokemon in the tier that can come in and get a kill. Just because it has a limited amount of counters does not make it worthy of...

All I see here are inexperienced battlers that fail to adapt to the new metagame so they just want this mon banned when it doesn't need to be. Smogon 101.

I never had a problem with Greninja, ever. The only arguement I hear is that it has a large move pool and is unpredictable. So if it has a certain 4 moves it will wreck a team. So what? Lots of pokemon can say the same thing. And its not like a certain set of 4 moves wrecks every team like some...

If you want to abuse defog and intimidate with thundurus use the standard mixed set: Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Defiant EVs: 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe Naive Nature - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Ice] - Superpower - Knock Off This set is very effective and can function well even without...

the title in this thread clearly states "no shitty gimmicks"

there is a thing called counter and a thing called brave bird in case you didnt know