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good point it is probobly time for a "more do less talk" kind of senario but i think a good 80% of people are already agreeing to make it so that its only 2 BPers a team good point none the less

i agree this seems like its the best idea we have for now and we should probobly go with it and besides.. most other options here are very much flawed and if we limit a team to 2 BPers we will fix the problem with the best effeicency and fix the main problem as a whole p.s. i feel so good i was...

im really confused is it speed boost and magic bounce ban? or is it that the 2 abilites cant be on the same team?

This is all fine and dandy but really im sure limiting baton passers is enough becasue i like many people have a single scolipede on my team so i can boost up then pass on ASAP without speed boost and BP together this can poke holes in plenty of strategys that im sure many people will be upset...

and very good ideas my freind i have run a mega banette with full attack and shadow sneak and i could easily take out a BP team with the right moves now i wish i had the vdeo link with me though XD

i have 2 small details for you 1. banning stored power isnt nuts but it certainly isnt the real base of the problem and im sure we can work around it 2. many strategys run off stat boosting moves that dont even need BP such as curse snorlax or shell smash cloyster with a white herb

perhaps you are right i only agree to only 3 BPers a team idea cuz i was tryng to make a simmilar statement but everyone just didnt want to think of a strategy except a select few it seemed im on board with you and although i will go with the 3 BP rule if all else fails im sure if we do try hard...

again i know i already responded to this ill say it again THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN stat boosting moves are one of the meta games most basic forms of strategy think of the meta game as a child you teach the child to read and write so it can live in society BUT think of stat boosting moves...

mr mime i do understand how you feel and i felt the same way but then i realised that perhaps putting limits on passers will be the best solution for now i do realise that this strategy is loved by many but it is very foggy at the momment and perhaps for now we should try limiting them JUST TRY...

jukain is trying to make it so that it is not as many people are angered and so that baton pass can still be used effectively but not in an unfair way such as BP teams its kind of like a gun you see.... we need to get just the right shot to please evryone and make it so baton pass is still...

i agree that does sound like a good idea to work with for now and see how it turns out in that case people with strategys who only need 1 baton passer for a quick boost or any other kinds of strategys can easily keep their startegys

by saying this you are suggesting that other BP strategys sould be banned as well i am against banning it whatsoever and banning it from scolipede or espeon is even worse BUT if need be ill live with limiting only 3 BPers a team beacuse i have a team startegy where i only have 1 BPer wich is...

considering the way paarting shot works im pretty sure their is no way to ban BP and pangoro is also a solid mon so not only is he able to deal with BP but he is also able to crush stuff with is HUGE attack power i dont know it may be slightly risky right now being as not many people use...

OK everyone it turns out parting shot does work through substitute i just ran a test and that means it could work as a counter to BP!!

A good counter to the issue i belive and definetly a good start of ideas i also think that a good way to mess up a baton pass set is with moves that take down stats so that they will constantly be contesting with the fact that their stats are going down a few moves i can think of is charm and...

KOing espeon is tough but it is NOT impossible again it may be easier said then done but it is NOT impossible i say we should just learn to adapt to this strategy and instead of banning it we should just talk about counters and i dont mean think 3 pokes of the top of your head im saying...

i also forgot to address ninjask and scolipede while i do see that speed boost baton pass is tough as long as you can get a poke a rock type move that can land a good hit they are both done

Smogon has banned plenty of things but now we are coming up to this where people are saying "its impossible to counter".... no no it is not imposible to counter it does requeire a little bit of skill and strategy to deal with BP but it can be done and and i will not support a ban of BP at...

thanks bro appreciate it

thank you very much i appreciate it