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Yeah, agreed I made some pretty bad choices this match but yea, I am pretty new to pokemon. The beginning was terrible, but the end, if I had bounced the next turn I guess I was thinking he could've subbed. It was like midnight and i was really tired >.> ( I know bad excuse but it's all i got)...

Read the original post. Latias is specifically for taking care of DD mences and also does a good job taking out Heatrans locked into anything barring dragon pulse which is pretty uncommon. Vaporeon runs HP Electric because he is my main Gyarados counter and really needs it. Gengar needs the...

Agreed, i know i was retarded but I always run Taunt and Fire Blast, I thought Psychic was not as good as a lead cause of all the azelfs and metagrosses. Seriously my bad, i ran that for so long I forgot they ran psychic...>.> oh well.

ummm yea thanks Pokerade....darn. Well I just posted that warstory in Stark Mountain and I want everybody to read it! :P lol well i hope u guys enjoy it even tho u know the ending!!!

Battle Of The Bounces TheGodsend1 (me) vs. Maxiia Hey guys! This will be my second thread ever on smogon...a warstory...I am crazy. Well anyway, this is a team I was laddering for my new team Walmart, you can find it in the RMT section (hence second thread.) Back on topic this was one of my...

Thanks to everyone who helped contribute to this team, the corrections and the praises, so keep the posts comming! Currently on shoddy i am 7-0, one battle of which i am going to warstory. We were both down to our last poke which both happened to be SubBounce Gyras and I won with 1% HP O_O...

Thanks WOLFY, I actually didnt know that. :) Yeah I ultimately decided roost, it does work wonders. I still really need help with the flygon / latias situation. Any adivice would be really appreciated.

I agree, I think vapy does a good enough job at what he does. I went back on shoddy and has had great success with this team with the crobat and vapy changes. Right now, it seems the weakest link is Flygon. I really need some help here. Do I put in the scarf latias as mentioned earlier, or...

That's true, but I like vapy also because he can heal my other members of my team. However starmie does cover Gyrados and has rapid spin. Can I have some other opinions on this?

Hey everyone, thanks for all of your advice! Yeah, I agree Brave Bird is probably a better attack over Aerial Ace, but as a lead I've found Hypnosis is infinintely helpful. I'll test that. On vapy, thanks midniiight i think i might change that. If I do put on latias, (i dont think i've ever seen...

That might be a good idea. SR does ruin crobat, and it is just a small increase... I might change that. Thanks Gorgoroth!

Hi everybody, I just joined Smogon! I've been browsing smogon for a few months, and i finally got internet on my computer, so I thought, "well, I might as well join shoddy while i'm at it!" I made this team and has had reasonable success, but it's not perfect. That's where you guys come in! So...