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  1. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Ghost of Perdition

    Good ghosts are not rare - Gengar, Sableye, M-Banette, and Trevenant, among others, have the stats, movepool, and/or abilities to be major players in OU. However they have no chance in OU as long as everyone is gunning for Aegislash, and hitting them in the crossfire. Look at the part I...
  2. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Ghost of Perdition

    In Gen VI OU, Ground is a terrible attacking type, outside of STAB or specific coverage issues if we disregard Aegislash's presence. The presence of so many high tier mons immune to it either due to Levitate or type immunity, the lack of relevant Electric, Fire, Poison and Steel types that are...
  3. Other OU Pokemon Categorization Thread

    Azu still counts as a check to CharX - a shaky check, but a check nonetheless.
  4. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Ghost of Perdition

    Nobody's countered this (admittedly weak) anti-ban argument yet, so I think this should be discussed. "Aegislash has weaknesses to FOUR common attacking types - Ghost, Ground, Fire, and Dark!" Has it occurred to anybody else that it might be the other way around - that the reason why those...
  5. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    I don't get why you'd run Thundurus-T when it's outclassed by Thundurus-I in almost every relevant role. The lower speed and loss of priority is, in my opinion, a bigger drawback than the increased Special Attack and Electric Immunity. (Besides, Thundurus-I is already immune to Thunder Wave, the...
  6. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Ghost of Perdition

    +2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Amoonguss: 214-253 (49.5 - 58.5%) -- 68.4% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery +2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Amoonguss: 160-189 (37 - 43.7%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery With...
  7. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Ghost of Perdition

    Can somebody update the first post with links to "IMPORTANT MUST READ ENTRIES HERE" such as "Why 4MSS actually is a sign of brokenness", that way we won't have this repeat with people asking the same things every 3 pages the way the BP threads did? As for Aegislash - I can't believe that after...
  8. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Okay, Scolipede should at least secure his current ranking, if not improve - he's a spike setter, on top of all the ridiculous sets he can run.
  9. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    The important part there is still "revenge killer" IMHO. I think what people are looking for when they say they want an "offensive pivot" is "I want a Genesect knock-off", as Gene was the master of securing ALL the momentum, force mons that couldn't hurt/outspeed him to switch out (which...
  10. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Oh, I agree with you 100% on offensive pivot being a mostly made-up thing, except Greninja (and Gen IV-V Infernape) exists, and to a lesser degree Staraptor? But what those three have that the Mega Man and Lando-T don't have is speed, power, coverage, and unpredictability in terms of sets - and...
  11. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Lando-T (and Mega-Manectric) both suffer in viability due to their "offensive pivot" role, which in my opinion is a big misnomer. Was offensive pivot a thing in previous gens, or is that just something people started to try to hype this gen? I think that "offensive pivoting" wears down your...
  12. Other OU Pokemon Categorization Thread

    I'd suggest we refine Volt-turners to be "Pivots", since that's what their main purpose is - a way for the Volt Switch/U-turn user to scout the opponent's team while maintaining momentum, usually through forcing an advantageous match-up. In this case, not every Volt-turner is a good pivot, as...
  13. Other Pokemon: Smogon Version OU [Route 4]

    I think that the game should also introduce clauses (carefully) and demonstrate why they are needed. I mean, Evasion clause is obviously going to be demonstrated via the Team Rocket clone, but what about Species Clause? Sleep Clause? And why OU doesn't have Item Clause (when the VGC does).
  14. Other OU Pokemon Categorization Thread

    If that's the case, we definitely will need a category for "Aegislash Check/Counter"?
  15. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    I agree with Scolipede for A+ - it might not be, on paper, as good as Talonflame, but in practice it works out as well if not better thanks to Talonflame being such a known quantity at this point that the environment is a little overprepared for it, while Scoli's sets and strategy aren't that...
  16. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Would the fact that M-Mawile and Clefable are finding roles in the 3-Baton Pass Teams move their viability up? I'm pretty sure Scolipede+M-Mawile is a far better two-mon combo than Scolipede+Espeon, IMHO - Scoli passes a Sub, Swords Dance/Iron Defence, and Speed, and M-Mawile can safely murder...
  17. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    CB Talonflame outspeeds a +1 Speed Sharpedo, and CB Brave Bird OHKOs. So Sharpedo can't even claim to be better at dealing with Talonflame than Scolipede. Also Scolipede can nab a Swords Dance on most defensive mons, especially those that rely on Toxic for their damage, while Sharpedo is dead...
  18. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Except in the new 3BP teams, Vaporeon is gone, as the only BP users left are Scoli+Espeon+Smeargle. Therefore Vaporeon deserves to get dropped to unranked. Also "being a late game cleaner when check/counter X, Y, Z, is dead" is not enough of a qualification to be ranked. There's already a lot...
  19. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    I can't imagine why people would even bother running Sharpedo, when the community has remembered that Scolipede exists, can actually attack, and can pass off his boosts if something that can wall him shows up. (Also that sexy Fairy resist).
  20. np: XY OU Suspect Testing Round 4 - Alienation of the Wretched

    Deoxys-S and Deoxys-D do the "broken support pokemon" thing better than anyone else. I think part of the reason why they only got suspected (again) now is that they are way less flashier than the previous suspects, but now, especially with the new 3BP teams, it's becoming obvious that these guys...
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