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This is true, but we really should be comparing him to other mons. You said it best: People are comparing it to Gyarados because they're complaining about how fast Mantine moved up to C-, when at best it's D-rank.

Scroll up for 2 seconds. It's right there.

The issue with Mamoswine is that he's pretty slow, fragile, and weak to all the common priority moves. He may be a pain to switch in on, but he's got enough drawbacks to keep him in A-.

No no no, I'm not disputing the value of the viability thread as a whole! I like this a lot, I'm just arguing against the idea of ranking by individual pokemon instead of bulk grades.

I'm new, so feel free to shoot me down. I think ordering Pokemon by viability in rank is a bad idea. The ranks are already contentious enough as is: the debate over Charizard-Y has seemingly taken up dozens of pages on its own, and he's moved all of, what, 2/3rds of a letter grade? In the...

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