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I agree that knock off can be unpredictable, outside of dark types anyway. I think the part we are disagreeing on here is how crippling it is for a pokemon to lose its item. It obviously depends on the pokemon and what you want to do with it, but there are several ways pokemon can be crippled...

It's also the ONLY strong dark time move (which is still not as strong as several other STABS), and immediately drops off in power once an item is gone. Most teams won't have more than one pokemon using it, and based on who, it shouldn't be hard to pick a member of your team to that makes a good...

Does Knock Off really have the potential to get banned? I think you'd have a hard time convincing me that it's broken, or truly unhealthy for the metagame.

Quick question: How will the current round of suspect testing affect this tournament? If any of the 3 pokemon suspected are banned, will that come into effect in this tournament immediately?

I was kinda getting into competitive play a bit, but going over this thread, the competitive scene is apparently filled with douchebags and people who just seem to lack any respect whatsoever. Sportsmanship be damned, pokemon is serious business after all.

What's the justification for Krookodile being B tier?

-A +1 Tough Claws Flare Blitz out damages a Sun Boosted Fire Blast. The difference before is not that much either. My general point with opposing weather is that it can easily force Charizard out, and decreases the effectiveness of FB/Solarbeam. Yeah, you can predict them coming in, but then you...

Y has a bit more edge in power, but I think X competes as a wallbreaker itself. X's Flare Blitz is close to the power of Sun boosted fire blast, and becomes more powerful at +1. A 4x stealth rock weakness is just too big of a flaw to consider it better than some of the slightly weaker...

Do you really think that he would be on the fence about Deoxys being S rank if he didn't acknowledge what else it is capable of? Never in his post talking about how the Hazard lead has lost its effectiveness did he discount other Deoxys sets. If you're not trolling, you need to actually read...

See above: They are pursuit weak, and allow Aegislash, an S rank pokemon, to come in and potentially setup. Draco is less spammable now because of fairies, and the prevalence of knock off is an unfortunate threat. They still have great utility though, being the fastest dragons in the tier, along...

What are your points? That a couple of pokemon beat it? I was responding to someone asking why Lati@s was B rank, so I posted about how I thought they were great defoggers, but are weak against certain things like pursuit. You are contributing nothing, other than saying that Aegislash and...

I guess we've been playing different people, as pursuit use now vs last gen seems WAY down to me. But, I might just not be running into it enough, and I specifically mentioned it because it is their biggest weakness, and the reason I don't think they should go any higher. Obviously you have to...

I went back a little bit to try and find that discussion, but didn't. Why would Zard Y be A+ if Zard X is? Y has a much greater hinderance to it, that 4X weakness to stealth rock. Both have comparable power, but Y is much more limited on its opportunities throughout a game because of this, and...

Don't forget about Sleep Powder as well. Honestly, I think a Sandstorm team is the best answer to Mega-Venasaur, and will be run more in the future as such.

Flying is also a type that every good team prepares for anyways, due to Talonflame. It makes sense that in a metagame where bulky offense is the way to go, the Mega that epitomizes that would be S rank. Mega-Venausaur is an amazing wall with only a few pokemon that can reliably take it down. I...

Don't give up on games. http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-79552435

Yep, GG. Shedininja was not a good idea

Still haven't heard anything from CyberOdin.

Both were GGs. Intense first game, almost got straight swept second.

If you look at the spread I posted, I still had 136 Atk EV's, with an Adamant nature, so I definitely still invest a lot in Attack, and definitely don't recommend zero. 248 HP/128 SDef gives you about the same special bulk, with the benefit of the 248 HP for defense. In regards to missing...