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I'm surprised at the number of people who have been disappointed in Gyarados... it's incredibly good. I think a lot of people have problems with not being willing to switch out after DDing, thinking they can take anything down. I have been disappointed in Starmie, even as a spinner. I'm not...

I could see SDing vs Quagsire or Swampert if YOU were the one switching in - a smart opponent would probably switch out in fear of grass knot. But when they send it out in front of ape... you know that fear isn't there at all >_<

he did bring the mence in against pert though - the only way i could see someone doing that with a physical variety of salamence would be a risky attempt to scare a switch and a free dd. i think it's reasonable enough to assume the meteor