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to steer away from the discussion, I will bring back Slither Wing into discussion. Is there a legit niche for it to become a setup sweeper? Will-o-Wisp, Bulk Up and Leech Life can make it outstall physical attackers pretty well, and its naturally high Sp. Def can come into play.

It is just so naturally powerful it doesn't even really need NP. As someone mentioned: Earth Power, Focus Blast and Gravity absolutely tears most of the meta's defensive options apart. Calculations assuming Lando used Gravity on the switch: Last slot can either be Psychic to hit Tera Poison...

I must say this is a very nice set. Might not fit on all the team but racking up passive damage and messing with Kingambit is always a pleasure.

If you are arguing that "a company with the mental capacity of a particularly slow pigeon", then doesn't it kinda imply that things they made like Species Clause being stupid? If you are asking the person why do they think that Gamefreak is moving away from regional formes, it is plenty evident...

I mean, if you sit on the opposite side, you would also feel unfair if Great Tusk can spin AND deal with your Kingambit at the same time, so you would invest in a Pokemon to stop it from doing so. This boils down to team interaction between players and not the fault of a single Pokemon, this...

I think Ghold is a write-in, so I doubt it will see any tiering action. The 3 you mentioned are big, but I think you forgot Zamazenta which is also a controversial mon. It still make me confused as to why it's not immediately banned upon receiving Body Press.

Considering Species Clause IS a competitive rule, that is something that they are designing the game around, which in other words mean they're circumventing it. Same as you said, Kantonian Zapdos and Galarian Zapdos are as different as Quagsire and Clodsire to each other, and yet they're treated...

I also feel this. As someone previously mentioned, GameFreak also realized they messed this up and instead of trying to give regional form to everything, they now create "similar but not quite the same" Pokemon, like Quagsire and Clodsire to circumvent their own rule. I think as a fan-controlled...

Yes, that's why I said fringe case. It's not good enough to justify it, but it is another option to look at. I would personally still run Alluring Voice. To avoid double posting, my 2 cents on the matter of Species Clause: I think it's a cool idea if regional formes are allowed to run...

I think on fringe case if you are facing a Pokemon with soundproof and the like.

Considering most Kingambit runs Black Glasses to have an unconditional boost with Dark Type moves and can somewhat forgo the power granted by it, you can try using Fling + Light Ball. This enables Gambit to actually paralyze ground mon and not give away your item slot. Though if Gliscor is...

This looks very interesting and promising! Do you perhaps have some replay with this set in action?

I think there is a degree of risk management in using Hypnosis Darkrai (dropping a coverage for Hypnosis but running another Pokemon who can replace the dropped move coverage for example). I just think it's not that "good" because it is inconsistent as hell, even landing Hypnosis doesn't...

Yeah, I think my point came across as I was downplaying Deoxys-S, but what I mean is it is not a terrifying wallbreaker or sweeper that consistently one shot teams, it's just very good at piling up damage here and there and can create setup beneficial for other members on your team. It does have...

I understood that part, though I was just pointing out the fact that even a 140 BP move doesn't feel like the doom hammer it's supposed to be due to the power drop after usage, and you can easily switch into the resist to absorb a powerful first hit. I feel like this is playing more into the...

With how many Dark types running around OU, I don't think it's a free button you can click. Also, even with LO boost, it barely 2HKO many important defensive mons like Dondozo. It does chunk pretty hard and good for cleaning up games, but it does not pack that kinda punch that people expected it...

I think when I heard people talk about its offensive set, I was like "wait that's brilliant", but then I saw the offensive stats this thing carries and I was all like "how does this actually hit anything hard?".

Is it because you think it is not broken in the first place or people have learned to adapt to it?

Arguably Darkrai's Hypnosis set is like the worst one out there, it's just notorious due to high variance.

aaaaand, to beat a dead horse, also reflect Hypnosis back to Valiant and Darkrai, while resisting Valiant fighting STABS and take fuck all from Darkrai's unboosted Dark Pulse. Noted, tyvm