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I've had Heatrans and so many other Steel/Poison types switch into Sylveon specifically thinking they'd either force me out or snatch an easy faint. Sylveon's special defense bulk is incredible - I can understand physical Steel types posing a relative danger to an Echoed Voice set, but any bulky...

Echoed Voice with Metronome wrecks far more shit than simple old Hyper Voice (at least from my experience), even if they switch into a 'mon that resists it. If you can get a simple two Echoes across, Sylveon's already becoming a dangerous ass sweeper. It generally needs Iron Defense and Speed...

Probably due to Latios and Latias getting access now. They're generally just better Choice Specs users, unfortunately. -not saying that because of my avatar-

Has anyone tried out the Switcheroo + Frisk combination? It works surprisingly well on my set, but Noivern may be too frail to run it efficiently.

Wait, since when was it confirmed that ALL starters would have their hidden abilities released? From what I know, none of the second generation starters, such as Totodile, didn't have access to their DW abilities. I just want to reiterate how this is possible before we get too excited, is all...

I apologize if this specific discussion is in the wrong forum section, an admin can move this thread to the appropriate section and even infract me if necessary - Smogon's forums are kindof clustered in my perception and therefore it's difficult to pinpoint the appropriate criteria in one...

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