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I want to preface this by saying that I don't have a stance yet on whether or not Wake is broken. Totally might be, might be ban worthy. It's very strong. That being said, there's some bad reasoning in this thread that concerns me come time to vote. I see a lot of people making an argument...

Thank god Chi-Yu is banned lol. Imagine sun teams with Tusk, Moon, Chi-Yu, and Wake holy shit. I imagine when Home comes out Chi-Yu will get retested, so we will probably see this tandem in action. Regardless, Wake is gonna be great. It gives an amazing new tool to sun teams, but it should be...

Yeah, it sounds gimmicky but when you can spam subs I think people underrated how percentages stack. You have a 67% chance of hitting any 100% accurate move, the odds of hitting two in a row plummets to 44.9% putting the odds in your favor. If you want to use all 4 subs, the odds of hitting 4 in...

Running Zygarde under screens. What set should I use? I figure Sub/DD/Arrows/Glare is the best set? What EVs? Open to changing moveset as well edit: also, other good mons under screens?

Are we sure U-Turn is the best option on Shift Gear sets? Sure it provides pivot utility throughout the game, but if I'm going for a sweep I'm never going to try and switch out lol. Genesect has so many options in that slot like Blaze Kick, Leech Life, Shadow Claw, Ice Beam, Zen Headbutt for...

Always been a huge fan of Taunt Hawlucha who to your point about a matchup with sand also uses Hippo as setup bait. The Mage ban removes one of the few Pokemon in the tier who could actually take a hit at +2, it's partner Rillaboom is better in the metagame than ever before, and Mandibuzz...

Given that Mage was one of the few mons in the tier who could live a hit from +2 Hawlucha and isn't OHKO'd by Magnezone, don't be surprised by that little fella rubbin his hands together in the corner like Birdman I feel like complaints about stall are going to go through the roof with 2 of the...

Gonna be talking about this little guy I think Hawlucha should be bumped up to at least B or B+. Sure the tier shifting from specially bulky to physically has hurt it, but it also certainly got some things going in its favor too with the presence of Rillaboom and Magnezone in the tier. From...

What do you run in place of Jet? I figure it can still provide some late game value with Jet picking off some weakened mons or can scare things like Cinderace, Excadrill, Volcarona, etc. but I agree it doesn't do the damage you'd want it to necessarily

Toxtricity certainly remains an interesting threat in the metagame that I really haven't heard about at all. It's Electric/Poison stab coverage looks great in a metagame with Azumarill, Clefable, Corviknight, Mandibuzz, Peliper/Rain, Rillaboom, Slowbro, Tangrowth, Togekiss, Toxapex, Urshifu-RS...

I've been considering a set like this that's mixed between PerishTrap and standard Azu to make it not entirely a gimmick. Azumarill @ Leftovers Ability: Huge Power EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe Adamant Nature - Whirlpool - Perish Song - Aqua Jet - Play Rough Standard bulky...

I'm not seeing what's so good about Volcarona right now. I'm not calling it bad, but people talk about it like an S-tier threat when I've never found it that threatening during a game despite never running a pokemon like Chansey. After a Quiver, so many Pokemon in the tier can still easily...

Forgot about Marowak's ground coverage, very good points. Interesting how Rilla has really become something we consider as an offensive threat

How much of a necessity is it to have a ground immunity these days? I feel like the ground immunity used to be a staple of any and all good OU teams, but Excadrill is the only offensive ground type in the tier anyone really uses - you rarely will see Krook or Mamo - and Kommo-o's EQ is the only...

What's a good Toxapex lure? If it can lure Magearna as well that'd be dope! I've actually been considering SD Sand Tomb Scizor who could beat both, and Whirlpool Perish Song Azumarill for Pex, but got any others?

Anyone found some interesting/fun lures in the new meta? I'm particularly interested in lures for Pex, and if possible Magearna as well. Saw someone earlier mention Sand Tomb Scizor which looked very interested and could handle both, but looking for more options since I'm worried about...

Interested in seeing how DDPult does in this new meta. I'm opting for a DD/Darts/FireBlast/PhantomForce set over running steel wing. Steel Wing is only to OHKO SpDef Clef, which Phantom Force hits for min 97% anyway and helps a lot more with the rest of the metagame like Mag, Azu, etc. Correct...

On Hawlucha there's no need for Fire Punch to hit Ferrothorn, a +2 CC will OHKO it and is still stronger anyway thanks to STAB. Options instead would be substitute for obvious reasons, but I particularly enjoy Taunt on Hawlucha. Hippo not only walls and phases out Hawlucha, but it is a pest to a...

LuchaBoom cores probably caught another W here. I like running Taunt on Hawlucha as it turns Hippo from a wall to setup-bait incapable of hitting it. Looking at that set, at +2 the only mons in the tier capable of taking 1 hit from Hawlucha are Aegislash, Corviknight, PhysDef Hatt, bulky...

I still feel like Hawlucha is best with screens to back it on HO, what kind of Rillaboom sets can we use to fit that play style? What're yall looking at? SubSeed definitely looks interesting, although isn't grassy terrain just mitigating seed damage? I also feel like access to U-Turn is huge...