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It was the content, and I did re word my view point to be more in line. Just wanted to say thanks.

So, we're going to talk about fair? I had a response two nights ago, but my internet ate my response and I was too...on edge...to re formulate the response. But to address 'fair' in competitive sense. You're sense of honor/fair/what have you is not mine. It's not the next person. The person...

I did think perhaps it wasn't worded correctly, I certainly didn't mean to imply luck isn't relevant. I believe, in fact, the opposite. I just believe that it can be managed. Certainly we can at least work on a meta that beats Sand Veil in OU, and if not, the reban it.

So, to pose the question, in a competitive game, why does luck matter? We're talking about a game of skill, where the reward for 'beating' luck is arguably the biggest reward to achieve. I've read how busted x is. How unfair y is. Why are we not building teams that work to corral these...

I don't know if it was useful or not. I had already mentioned here that I couldn't articulate my thoughts on the subject well.

So, just asking, since it was deleted, is there a post count needed to post in the Sand Veil testing thread? Or do I need to play games to gain legitimacy?

Straight up stole this. However for my few battle forays into OU, this guy has been great for my niche team. Hippowdon @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def Impish Nature Slack Off/Roar/Earthquake/Stealth Rock

Thank you! I found a much older thread in this forum's search function. Not that thread. Now I cannot formulate my thoughts! But thank you!

I only found one thread on Sand Veil and had a question. Is it improper to necro that thread in the interest of not creating a new thread since one had been made?