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Sablenite: Ban Shadow Tag: Do Not Ban

I have just gotten reqs and will keep my opinion simple. M-Sableye is a good poke with a welcome place in OU when used outside of full stall. But really, that's where it is mostly used. Full stall teams all look roughly the same, and anytime something creative is done (e.g. introduction of...

Confirming as "Crocy"

Landorus-I: Ban

We actually want to give stall teams more variety on how to deal with teams, because the more varied teams are, the more answers that emerge to counter them and the more interesting the game becomes. To me, your argument concerning the rise of M-Sableye stall can be easily manipulated to form a...

Confirming as Crocy

Metagrossite: Ban

Confirming as Gwerkin

Essentially A very fair and valid point. Statistics are read into so closely and true meanings are lost in the complexity and diversity of players and their preferences. To back you up in your reply, I'd like to point out that Mega usage statistics are quite complicated by playstyles and even...

Bring on the banhammer. The OU suspect ladder is by no means great, but removing M-Metagross has seen a shift in a positive direction. M-Charizard Y is such an incredible (although I don't believe bannable) threat at the moment, and various teams/playstyles have been given the chance to shine...

In my opinion, staleness of the meta can be a legitimate argument as it is a manifestation of overcentralisation. M-Metagross' impact on the OU and the so called "staleness" is well exemplified by my experiences with my current team. I enjoy all aspects of pokemon battling, including...

Your "historical evidence" point was clear in the first post; i.e. it is abundantly clear that Metagross' presence discourages Gardevoir's use and spamming of other considerable threats (M-Diancie and M-Altaria in particular). My posts have not been arguing this point; rather they were arguing...

I have considered the historical evidence of the metagame after Aegislash's ban, although I have not specifically referred to that in my posts. Aegislash hard countered M-Gardevoir unless it packed Shadow ball, and even then Aegi could work around it. Once Aegislash was removed M-Gardevoir...

The most supported anti-ban argument on this thread pertains to the potential brokenness of M-Sableye and M-Diancie (the apparent kings of stall and bulky offense respectively). People are also fearful of fairy dominance and the increased viability of already fantastic mons, such as the Latis...

Greninja: Do Not Ban

Confirming as Pwocy

Hi everyone. Having just gone through the suspect ladder and achieved the reqs to vote, there are a few things I would like to put out there. (Reqs evidence below for safe keeping; see number 7). Perhaps the most common anti-ban sentiment is that Greninja does in fact have checks and...

You're entitled to your argument, but I must warn that there are many on the anti-ban side that don't use Aegislash and don't want to. Conversely, there are those on the anti-ban side who nonetheless want Aegislash gone (it's a very weird position to have, but I have it). I don't believe...

If Rotom-W's Will-O-Wisp is the only means of dealing with Aegislash, poor team building is the real issue. Few people build an OU team that outright loses to A+/S rank Pokemon. Another key point to raise here is that no single Aegislash set can hurt everything (too much focus seems to be placed...

Finally, I have a reason to post in this thread in support of the pro-ban side. Well said. The OU is not built around countering Aegislash. I think the majority of people on either side of the Aegislash issue would agree with me on that. It is however true that the viability of certain Pokemon...