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That serves as a place to start as to what bullying constitutes. Though facile, it is broad enough to encompass all different types of bullying because the common denominator is basic hegemonics--that is, the bully is talking advantage of his/her power over the victim. Every example you listed...

I think a major problem with this thread is that it currently lacks distinct and differential definitions for, I suppose, the "tiers" of bullying: teasing, harassment, and actual bullying. From Google: Teasing -make fun of or attempt to provoke (a person or animal) in a playful way. Oftentimes...

It's obvious you have never experienced the kind of bullying that this generation has grown up in; in short, you're sheltered. The bullying climate today is vastly different from the one in the past. Instead of being one-on-one, bullying has evolved to involve a pack of people preying on the...

Have you tried pressing charges--specifically assault and battery? You should look up any anti-bullying laws in your state and research whether they're criminal or civil. If you have not tried a legal avenue for a solution, it may be about time since you have exhausted your options. About your...

Those have always been though; Scolipede (and Sylveon) is what really changed this generation (and Ingrain Smeargle). But phasing isn't the real issue anyway; it's getting past those ridiculous defensive boosts.

Those are really good analytic-al questions. I've glossed over the last couple pages, so I'll answer these questions the best I can. To get my bias out of the way, I prefer simply banning Scolipede over everything and then prefer a limit of four after that as of now. 1. From a team building...

Having been bullied, I can say that bullying is absolutely horrible. However, that being said, it did make me the person I am today. I will explain this later. As to what we can do about bullying, I think we all have to answer this question on a personal basis. Though there have been a plethora...

I already mentioned how in my previous post. Invasive in practice versus paper.

I understand your points on Speed Boost + Baton Pass and Magic Bounce + Baton Pass. I just respectively disagree here because it may be different in practice rather than on paper. Granted, I need to play with a cap of three and with my suggestion and compare and contrast them for an educated...

Baton Pass is far from the status quo. However, we should use the same guidelines for a suspect that we use for every other problem. If any aspect of Baton Pass is a problem, and if a cap is necessary on the amount of Pokémon with Baton Pass, it should be based on the guidelines we have established.

A restriction to three Baton Passers is way too complex, and Smogon tries to avoid complex bans whenever possible, hence the ban on Swagger instead of Prankster + Swagger when the latter would have solved the relevant problem. Also, that restriction is a completely unnecessary nerf. The heart of...

Exactly. Baton Pass has to be treated in the exact same manner, then. If a nerf were to occur, Smogon has to look at the root of the problem and deal with the appropriate Pokémon (Scolipede), ability (Speed Boost), and/or move (Stored Power), as was the case with Swagger. Your view that Baton...

But there are two problems with your thesis: 1. You want to make Baton Pass un-viable based on your subjective view of the playstyle. If a nerf occurs, it should still be effective, like all other playstyles are, against a variety of threats, not just one form of team. 2. You ignore the...

This is not the point of the thread. The point is to look for a balance, not to make an entire playstyle un-viable simply because people don't like it and refuse to adapt. Baton Pass as is is beatable, and this has been proven many times in the thread with well thought-out posts.

I don't think so, but I can test it simply by removing Scolipede and replacing him with something else. Also, though Soundproof is Mr. Mime's main niche, it isn't very useful as long as Espeon is alive. So Mr. Mime and Espeon, in a sense, are redundant.

As a user of Baton Pass teams, that isn't entirely true. We would just have to manually, and separately, accumulate Speed and Defense boosts, nothing that can't be done with both Zapdos and Vaporeon. That being said, Scolipede is plenty manageable as long as people make smart lead selection...

Personally, I have found that a Choice Scarf Lave Plume or Magma Storm Heatran is a good answer to Baton Pass teams. One player really surprised me with this as the lead. I protected the first turn to grab a Speed boost; however, he was still faster than my Scolipede. He really destroyed my...

In the spirit of accuracy, Espeons on BP teams do not run 4 HP and 0 Def EV's. They have at least 252 HP EVs and 36 Def EVs (usually) with either a Calm or Bold nature. I do like what you're trying to say, however. The key to beating BP teams is early game pressure. If you let your opponent just...

I agree. Stored Power is really ridiculous. At 400+ BP, the opponent really does not have a good chance to respond, especially with Hyper Voice Sylveon.

Though I am completely anti-nerf, banning Speed Boost + Baton Pass seems like a more appropriate compromise, since Scolipede--and not Espeon--is the real crux of today's Baton Pass teams. Also, Speed Boost has always been traditionally controversial since it's the best ability in the game...