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I'm really, really sorry you fail to understand how Scolipede is overwhelmingly more effective, bulky, and supportive than Ninjask. It's futile to pretend Ninjask can do what Scolipede can do. It's foolish to think he is an adequate replacement, despite several people across this entire thread...

To answer your question bluntly, a lot. We lose Baton Pass the move across all Pokemon and all tiers, and we lose the strategy of Baton Pass across all teams, and we lose the Baton Pass archetype across all styles of play. Notice how Swift Swim + Drizzle is a complex ban, not a blanket ban...

The move doesn't auto-win, so banning the move is unnecessary and unfair. Auto-Win: clicking "play" and instantly winning 100% of the time, with no player able to influence that decision. Baton Pass, the strategy, doesn't auto-win. Yes, it exacerbates the matchup component: the opponent either...

Baton Pass doesn't auto-win. It's a move that simply allows the user to switch out, with advantages over manual switches; momentum, boost passing, evading Pursuit and other forms of trapping. A Baton Pass chain does exacerbate the matchup component, undeniably, but it doesn't auto-win before a...

It's undeniably true Weather dominated Gen V. You made cold hard facts: too many threats to Baton Pass were common in Gen V, where it has since vanished, with or without Scolipede. However, your calculations are not only irrelevant, but unfair. Ninetales vs Scolipede would be a poor matchup for...

Oh, I happen to agree Scolipede, in of itself, isn't broken either. It's the people who make ignorant presumptions, instead of actually reading my arguments, that think I find Scolipede broken by itself. He isn't broken; his Uber-like support for the chain makes the playstyle overcentralizing...

I think it's been shown over the course of this entire thread that no decision has been made. Haunter himself said he preferred a complex ban in this case; he did not say that is the final decision, and he has encouraged discussion for other, perhaps more effective solutions. (His own opinion is...

I seem to be under the impression a Baton Pass clause means Scolipede + Espeon + Sylveon/Smeargle + 3 other non-supportive, non-synergistic Pokemon. In short, the chain archetype is killed, and it's reduced to a half-Pass team at best. Smogon wishes to make the archetype more managable, not kill...

It's relatively easy to say "Scolipede is relatively easy to stop" but remains a falsehood. Scolipede's two hard counters in OU are indeed Mega Pinsir and Talonflame, but nothing much else prevents Scolipede from supporting the chain overwhelmingly. Scolipede can scout regular Taunt/Encore with...

Rowdog, why can't you comprehend the simple fact I never said Smogon won't initiate a complex ban, but rather they are reluctant to do so unless absolutely necessary? Complex bans and special clauses are on the table, but only if they are necessary and efficient. Yes; let's discuss how to...

Smogon as in the Council, a group of individuals, so are. I don't act like I speak for the Council; the Council have spoken for themselves, that being they are reluctant to issue complex bans and special clauses unless absolutely necessary, and prefer the more simple, efficient standard ban...

Bold font hopes to encourage people to actually read and understand the arguments. There's a multitude of reasons Baton Pass is so much stronger this Gen. Obviously, so care to mention them? Let's list Baton Pass' new tools: Speed Boost Scolipede, Sylveon, Mr Mime retyping. Am I missing...

Not only have I explained several times, but many others have thoroughly discussed why Ninjask is inferior and completely irrelevant in this discussion. I'm sorry you choose to blatantly ignore the explanations. It's actually depressing people are trying to logically and fairly class Ninjask...

I did refute it: read my arguments. And I didn't act like anything; I just presented my arguments for the very real possibility of Scolipede's ban, and refuted other people's absurd arguments for the complex ban of Ingrain, Aqua Ring, etc. Haunter has not actually made a decision, nor has the...

Because I refuted your arguments, and find them weak and misinformed, you take it as an "ad hominem." To the man, I never insulted or flamed you personally; I just destroyed your arguments. 1. Smogon is reluctant to write a complex ban, especially a useless one such as "Aqua Ring + Ingrain +...

Right, so argue for or against the ban of Scolipede, instead of "But collateral damageLOL!" Does it actually take a OU Council member himself to tell you Smogon doesn't care about 'preserving a Pokemon's other (unused) sets'? Does it take an official Smogon member to tell you they operate and...

Again, other games are other games, with different principles and mechanics. It has no nothing to do with the discussion at hand. If you want to argue for or against something, do so, but do so in a useful and relevant manner. My behavior throughout this thread has been refuting arguments like...

Except your little Halo and now Starcraft example is useless and irrelevant in this thread. It doesn't illustrate anything; the two games and mechanics are entirely different. No, Talonflame won't bolster your argument either. Talonflame doesn't overcentralize like the current Baton Pass...

I've played Halo competitively through late Halo 3/ODST, Reach and 4, so spare me the "history" lesson. Halo has nothing to do with this forum, and utilizing a first-person competitive shooter to bolster your argument for a RPG strategy is ineffective and meaningless. (And I find it amusing you...

No one is saying Scolipede, by itself, is uncompetitive or broken. - Support Characteristic A Pokemon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other Pokemon to sweep. Scolipede will always provide an...