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  1. np: SUMO UU Stage 1 - Feels Like We Only Go Backwards

    All 4 of those mons are pretty meta defining imo, but what bouff (I think) said about Clef's impact on the tier is pretty accurate. Yeah, it can perform many roles and can be splashed onto many teams, but I think that is what makes the meta more balanced. It's pretty defining, and teams have to...
  2. SM UU Viability Ranking Thread

    I definitely believe Suicine should be A- ranked, or at the very least, B+ ranked. While Suicine has gained huge competition from Clefable in being a late game CM sweeper, and gained many hard counters in the form of Manetine and Volcanion, I still think Suicine is still a potent threat. While...
  3. np: SUMO UU Stage 1 - Feels Like We Only Go Backwards

    This would be a pleasant surprise if Staraptor ended up in UU this gen. I am finding it not as broken as I initially thought. Yeah, it's good, but I am a lot more fearful of things like SD Bisharp and SubCM Raikou than raptor. The sets I've seen are either scarfed or banded. The banded set is...
  4. np: SUMO UU Stage 1 - Feels Like We Only Go Backwards

    Not too surprised Victini is banned, though I can't say I'm not disappointed. I have been playing a bit, and Staraptor is just as stupidly strong as it was in the beta. It is similar to Victini in the sense that it can bash in would be walls using brute force. While V-Create is stronger, the...
  5. SM UU Viability Ranking Thread

    Definitely think Clef deserves to be S ranked. The support it needs comes organically through how the meta has progressed. Things that scare it out, such as Bisharp and Scizor, are dealt with by good mons in the meta, such as Gliscor and Hippo. This means that teammates for Clefable don't need...
  6. np: SUMO UU Stage 1 - Feels Like We Only Go Backwards

    I see Victini being very good in the tier, but not broken that's for sure. The best assest Victini has is its movepool and variety of sets. It can dismantle most balanced cores, but definitely struggles against offense. This is in contrast to something like Mega Sharpedo, which can clean up most...
  7. SM UU Viability Ranking Thread

    I think Suicune should be A- ranked, or at the very least, B+. The CroCune set is still effective at sweeping teams late game, when hard counters, such as Volcanion and Mantine, are removed. Its natural bulk, great typing, and good ability make it a solid choice for a bulky sweeper. Scald was...
  8. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    Anyone else finding Keldeo to be a little underwhelming? With things like Latias, Azu, and Primarina running around, it isn't nearly as good as I thought it would be. The specs set is great, but I feel like the meta has adapted to cover Keldeo pretty well, making things like CroCune my preferred...
  9. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    Raikou just got a lot better since Kingdra will mostly be special on rain teams, and raikou dumps on rain teams. Clefable can't take spec volt switchs, and Manetine will definitely be a top defensive threat since it has defog, roost, scald, and an amazing ability in the form of Water Absorb, not...
  10. SM UU Simple Questions Thread

    Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but when all the mega stones are released, are they all automatically considered OU, or will we get the ones from UU last gen and test them, and others go up/drop by usage?
  11. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    Now that the meta has kind of settled, I am seeing a ton of nasty plotting thundurus, and it basically rolls over balanced and bulky offense teams, and it does well against offense since it has a great speed tier. What do you guys see as potentially broken atm?
  12. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    Not too surprised Thundy-T and Breloom were banned tbh. I am very surprised Victini barely dodged getting banned, I didn't know the council was borderline on whether or not it should go. Personally, with things like Latias and Keldeo in the tier, I don't feel like Victini is as good in this gen...
  13. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    I've been playing with rain lately. Prior to this, I was under the impression that rain is probably the most broken of all the weathers. It allows swift swim abusers to run free, boosts up water type attacks, and makes fire types pretty neutered. To add onto this, it allows fire weak Pokes to...
  14. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    I feel like both Togekiss and Victini are just good in the meta, but nowhere near as "broken" as they were in previous gens. The power creep really made them weaker (relative), but they still have things going for them. While Victini sports great bulk, good speed tier, good movepool, it doesn't...
  15. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    This round of bans really made UU a lot more stable imo. I am starting to see a lot of different mons being used. Things like Celebi, Mew, Raikou, and Volcanion are getting a lot more usage which is awesome. The fact that different play styles, mons, and sets are viable makes UU really...
  16. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    Right now, I am finding Volcanion and Bisharp to be very good. Nothing really switches into Volc, which doesn't seem like a big deal, since things like Hydregion dont have many switch ins, but that 30% burn chance, great movepool, and great ability make it very good. The physical bulk makes it...
  17. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    Really surprised Torn was banned. Never had any trouble with it personally, but I have seen people use it to great effect, especially since it has a set to be a real pain for any type of team. Mega Bro definitely had to go. A lot of people were running CM + Slack off, but I was using it kind of...
  18. SM UU Beta (Mewnium Z, Staraptor, Victini banned)

    What do you guys think will get quick banned next? I am not surprised to see Weavile, Mence, and Dnite go. I am thinking the next bout would probably include things like Volcanion, Terrak, Volcarona, and Diggersby--just mons that ravish the tier atm. I can even see things like Victini and Kiss...
  19. Sun & Moon UU Speculation and Discussion Thread - Updated with UU Alpha!

    Any word of when UU Beta will announced?
  20. Sun & Moon UU Speculation and Discussion Thread - Updated with UU Alpha!

    That pretty much sums of the state of this UU. I think new toys are still the big thing, so I haven't seen how things like Mew have been performing, nor things like Thundy-T. I keep wanting to try things like Kommo-o, but every time I want to do a sweeper set, I always find myself using Terrak...
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