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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spd Jolly Nature - Fling - Swords Dance - Acrobatics - Earthquake After the swords dance its attack sky rockets to 578 and with fling damaging, toxicing, and boosting acrobatic's power up to 110 - gliscor's acrobatics becomes...

Yea I completely agree. Some people are taking what I am saying out of context; maybe I did not phrase myself correctly- if so I apologise. I am not saying it is OP, I am just pointing out it makes me change my team building strategy- therefore I guess it should be suspect, that is all I am...

I mean if they keep on switching in and out and spamming fake out + spore if you have a team that has a lot of fake out + sporers (eg; mega kanga + smeargle) it can count as spam no? and thanks :D

I agree that you can't spam spore, but surely you can spam fake out + spore leads which I have seen running around on the ladder? Even if the person has lum berry , the fake out flinch can allow you to scout for that and sleep the poke again. And I said said before, I am not fully against sleep...

As I said on the suspect discussion thread, sleep is not something that is RUINING the metagame necessarily but fake out + sleep definitely affects my play style and makes me more reliant on protect leads. I am not saying it ruin my experience but isn't the definition of something that is...

Exactly! And I don't want to make it seem like fake out + sleep ruins the meta and infuriates me; not at all. I am just saying that it definitely makes me think about what to put on my team and changes the way I play significantly. My belief system is that if one clause/rule/aspect makes me...

Again I agree but I personally find the fake out + sleep inducer combination much more potent than the other fake out + move combos. Just my opinion though

I agree but I feel like once teams start being purposefully adjusted with so much thought and leads are being changed drastically, the thing that is causing the change is affecting the entire play style and metagame. I would liken it to how people had to build their entire teams to challenge...

I feel like sleep clause needs to be implemented severely D: From my experience on the ladder, I have run into fake out + spore combinations too many a time. They are EXTREMELY frustrating as the faster pokemon on my team gets faked out the slower one gets put to sleep by taking advantage of the...

Finally decided to try out smogon testing and am gonna try and be a part of the community, pumped! Made the ou reqs but was too busy to do the test D:

So what is going on with the new ladder decay in ou :/ im 1804 the night before - I come online in the morning and im 1790. 9 hours separated those two ratings. (Not to mention)Then I play a battle and the showdown servers lag and I drop to 1760 D:)