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I don't think it is; as explained before, Smogon has always banned Pokémon for their best sets, the conditions these sets need to function not always being as relevant. I think that the very best comparison I can make is to Generation V's Excadrill: it was considered overcentralizing, and thus...

It seems that a large number of players still sees limiting the number of Baton Pass users on a team as the optimal nerf; I beg you to reconsider, for while this limit may be the most obvious nerf to the strategy, I cannot see it reach the wanted result: it will take away any option for...

Yes it is, and just as you explained in your other post directed at me, Azumarill used its fourth moveslot to hit an opponent that would otherwise be a threat. Please let's not discuss the quality of my example, for it is of no importance for this discussion - I daresay that it's not even...

I agree with you that Baton Pass has become a solid strategy to say the least and I explained my standing on the issue of nerfing it in previous posts; I'll use this one to explain why one would switch to Mr. Mime when up against Azumarill: for my post I assumed that people would adapt to full...

It dazzles me that people seem to assume that Baton Pass will always have everything they need: reading that Mega-Gyarados is not a viable counter because the playstyle uses Smeargle with Ingrain, that Perish Song not being a viable counter because Mr. mime has Soundproof, and that millions of...

As I said in my previous response it is not unheard of to run some form of attack investment if this allows a Pokémon to dismiss of an important threat: it's an example of how specific Pokémon can adapt to a metagame in which Espeon/full Baton Pass is recognized as a legitimate check to...

If Espeon has the 56 speed EVs needed to outspeed standard Whimsicott, there is a chance that standard Mandibuzz will 2HKO (Foul Play will inflict similar damage); furthermore I don't see why Mandibuzz wouldn't just use a little attack investment to bring down a giant threat to a defensive team...

In my opinion Baton Pass teams are to be allowed to remain as is: by now it has been proven that there are multiple ways to keep offensive pressure on the team, under which it will break. It is unfair to argue that a Baton Pass team cannot be defeated without a specific counter once it sets up...

Thank you for your response dear! Your opinion is very understandable and I can agree that playing against and with Baton Pass can be unfun and gets stale fast. The problem is that this is not a reason to ban the strategy, although your second point would be. It has been brought up before that...

What I see is someone carefully playing around the Baton Pass core's counters with two team members that make it hard for them to switch in, in preperation of the Baton Pass core setting up: Black Kyurem and Mega-Aerodactyl fulfill the function of Zapdos to decent success. What is shown is that...

I think what you meant to say it that with four members the strategy is still barely playable in a completely non-versatile form. After watching a number of replays and having read the pages of this thread, I have to say that I am wondering if a nerf to the strategy is even necessary...

It has been argued multiple times that there are many possible bans that will make full defensive Baton Pass as a playstyle much more manageable if necessary, and a proposal similar to those of Kairyu_gen1 is to be tested before getting rid of this playstyle entirely - you claim that nothing of...

I'm happy to read that I'm not the only poster that simply disagrees: all Pokémon on the team that do not know Baton Pass become dead weight when the Baton Pass chain starts, and the issue that the chain itself can no longer pack counters to common, yet specific threads, means that the non-Baton...

To be completely fair I'm following this discussion mostly out of interest and do not strife for a particular result; this doesn't take away how very shocked I am to see many posters so eager to completely destroy a playstyle they simply do not like without trying out ways to bring down said...

Baton Pass not being a legit playstyle is a completely subjective claim, and nothing is to be gained from responding to your post's content. In my posts I do not at all try to prove whether Baton Pass is a healthy playstyle; I try to prove that it's a manageable one, or that there are ways to at...

It surprises me that there's still a group of people arguing that specific counters like Murkrow or Quagsire with Haze must be used to defeat Baton Pass, as it has been explained time and time again that not only are these not always effective, but also that a much more reliable approach is an...

As this to me is a debate of great interest for multiple reasons, I hoped to share my thoughts on certain aspects of the issue. First of all it seems that the "auto-win/lose" and "black-white" characteristic of Baton Pass teams is seen as a negative point by many, the complaint being that games...