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Preferably Zapdos if they have it. Smeargle and Vaporeon may also work. Easy taunt bait? 0 SpA Vaporeon Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 288-338 (80 - 93.8%) Talonflame is also Scolipede's worst enemy, by the way. You cant lead with him, you cant switch in after only +2 def, etc. 252+ Atk...

Nothing. Thats why you dont lead with Ninjask if the opponent has a super effective priority. (Scolipede cant take a brave bird before at least one iron defense either) 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ninjask: 160-188 (49 - 57.6%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO...

You misunderstood my poorly constructed sentence, particularly the meaning of "job". I didnt meant he should choose one type of boosting and always go with it, just have some consistency with his arguments. Whenever Scolipede can set up ID, the argument of trivially attained def and speed pops...

Guess which pokemon can also do that with the exact same efficiency? Ninjask. Stop switching Scolipede's job back and forth from defense+speed to just speed whenever it suits you. Pretty sure trying to use ID in front of something that can one shot you with a simple flamethrower, even at max...

Amazing post, but I really want to know how "fat bug's best friends werent OP last gen because all their arch nemesis were only nerfed/banned recently" turned into "We should neglect this broken thing because weather was even worse". If anyone is neglecting a great evil, its the crowd who wants...

Hiding from the massive weather wars since they have a history of being weak against huge special pressure? Pretty sure this was answered several times already. Lets pretend for a second that the only change is Scolipede getting speed boost and fling this team into gen 5 : 252 SpA Ninetales...

Bonus addition since it was bothering me : Taking out 2/3 of my reasons (dragon claw to break subs when baton to mime + encore could happen and a third dance when he saw a sub up) and concluding I am an ignorant coward with just the first one is ignorant and cowardly. Read this over and over...

A replay filled with mistakes doesnt illustrate anything. If your opponent has absolutely no idea what to do against baton pass, then your replay is completly useless. I am almost expecting you to post someone shell smashing thrice in a row while the opponenet sets up hazards and then say "shell...

Let me guess, you will go back and edit that part too? Are you really saying that Dragon dancing against a baton passer that has higher speed, is spamming substitutes and has a Smeargle on his team is subjectively a mistake? He didnt even attack when he saw the intact substitute at the end of...

If the problem is exclusively setting def+speed and you're already going as far as banning pokemon+move combination with Smeargle to spare his other sets, why not iron defense Scolipede instead of Scoli?

No, you're the one missing the entire point. I agree that Scolipede is the biggest offender in BP teams and that a ban against him would make these teams much more manageable, but your whole argument is filled with very ugly exaggerations. You claim the opponent made no mistakes when he clearly...

- 1400~1500 is not enough, try 1760+ - One replay is useless and wouldnt prove a team can deal with BP. We're way past that point and Haunter has already stated that multiple times. - That replay was re-posted(from a dozen or so pages ago) as sarcasm, since all the replays I quoted are also...

Thats the point... The re-posted replay is almost as bad as saying Scolipede tanks 3x shell smashes when it lost over 50% hp from a single unboosted move and never faced the Cloyster again.

"set up multiple times with ease" = Had to baton pass just speed boosts in the first time, was against a scarfed hydro pump in the second... both of which could be easily done with a Ninjask. "how Scolipede overcomes offensive pressure from M-Pinsir and Talonflame" = Scolipede wasnt in the field...

+1 0 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 274-324 (101.1 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO +1 0 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Bisharp: 202-238 (60.4 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Do you even know what a Sylveon is to begin with? The only way you're...

Its not like the same BP team is literally beating the best players in OU and getting top of the ladder, right? Perfectly reasonable to assume no one is actually trying to counter it and remain viable against normal teams, better not even read the thread and post random counters from the top of...

???? So limiting BP to 3 baton passers will kill the strategy of not-dying until you have enough boosts to sweep everything with an eeveelution and create a whole new monster strat that consists of the exact same thing except with a sweeper in the end? What is the problem again? Full BP hangs...

Scolipede's support is only broken when an entire BP team receives it. Everyone agrees this pokemon is not broken, so why not ban the combination? There is a thick line between "how should baton pass teams be nerfed" and "which nerf would the council like the most". Pretty sure this thread's...

So you're telling me that haze + unaware is totally not redundant, in fact its even great against dozens of other pokemon? Kay. Let me get this straight : I need not one dedicated counter, but a multitude of counters that, unless I am playing HO, will include Whimsicotts and the like, just to...

Neither Scolipede nor Espeon are broken in any way. Their "best sets" dont work without the rest of this specific BP team supporting them. Scolipede's boosts would be trivial to handle if there was no magic bounce or ingrain to secure them, while Espeon wouldnt be a huge threat if Vaporeon and...