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someone who understands and doesn't call someone else's opinion ass right off the bat it actually took a mod saying that Physical Greninja isn't ass before he changed his mind about it, smh

but my point was how Swampert could do something else than just Swift Swim which is what one guy said and then i said if he had recovery, he could be a bulky sr setter why are you quoting me again?

but did my quote there have anything to do what you just said?

No it won't. It'll hit usual Greninja checks.

It is. Ice Punch/Gunk Shot means Greninja can be purely Physical now.

If he had Slack Off or Recover, he could definitely be a reliable SR Setter or a Bulky Attacker.

Raikou has no recovery. He'll get worn down or Frozen if he keeps trying to tank Greninja's hits.

Can be stopped if Politoed's dead or if Rain is out and Greninja uses Grass Knot. Greninja really hurts that team. >Swampert? Grass Knot, gg >Tornadus? Ice Beam, gg >Latias? Ice Beam, gg >Ferrothorn? Dark Pulse or Ice Beam spam, gg That's half the team one shotted and one member severely...

Swamp has no recovery unless you add Healing Wish to Latias

Does Gravity completely remove your Flying type? If so, Gravity Mega Metagross could be a thing; 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Dynamic Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 180-212 (53.8 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Gravity lowers your opp's evasion two stages...

That's what I'm saying. Wish/Protect/Double-Edge/Fire Blast(Heat Wave or Flamethrower) would be a better Fat set.

What Nature would you use on that set? Won't Wish/Protect be better?

I have two questions; What's going to be the Top 3 Mega Metagross sets? ...and... What's going to be the Top 3 Mega Salamence sets? I heard you guys talking about HP Fire Mega Metagross, but what Nature would that be, and what would it have to give up to use HP Fire?

Not when Glalie's Explosion OHKO's it after SR.

Knock off could do fine with a Base 120 Attack, and Hoopa's speed could of been Base 100+ or something.

i predict him being B+ rank, lol running protect on beedrill would be like running protect on manectric; a waste of a moveslot. for what? just that one turn you mega evolve? might as well give it drill run so it could shit on fire types or even fell stinger so it can OHKO weakened pokemon to...

what the hell? that is Hindu God Status. out of all stats, they should of buffed its defenses and speed the most I still don't understand why they chose to buff everything but two of its weakest stats its signature attack isn't even Physical, they should of took out most of his physical attack...

lol, Metagross can switch in on Lati@s, Mega Evolve, set up Agility and GG. And I'm pretty sure Intimidate Salamence can set up on anything, Mega Evolve and wreck. I hope we get more Megas than just Randoms and E4/Champion Megas.

It gets Thunderbolt already.

Hoopa doesn't need Nasty Plot though. He needs Agility. Actually, we do. Covet, Dual Chop, Signal Beam, Gunk Shot, Uproar, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Magic Coat, Block, Foul Play, Gravity, Last Resort, Zen Headbutt, Snore, Knock Off, Role Play, Drain Punch, Focus Punch, Shock Wave...