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  1. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion (MkII)

    Seviper Availability: Route 8, 10% (Y), Horde encounter w/ Zangoose (X). May be difficult to capture in X as the Zangoose will attack it. Stats: It can easily put both offensive stats to good use with base 100 in each. However, Seviper is pretty slow at base 65 speed and is also quite frail...
  2. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion (MkII)

    Throh Availability: Route 11, 20%. Stats: Throh has a solid base 100 attack and is quite bulky with base 120 HP and 85 in both defenses. Its major letdown lies in its speed stat, at a low base 45, meaning it will have to survive a lot of hits. Typing: Fighting is a great typing to have, with...
  3. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    I mean I guess, but wouldn't you have to get lucky in Coumarine for Acrobatics or just backtrack back to the TM lady every day? The reason I assumed (my last post was all theory) that Lunatone would be better is because of its better gym matchup against Korrina and Olympia. I forgot that you...
  4. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    Lunatone seems like it would at least be better than Solrock, although I don't know if it deserves C. Its good special attacks allows it to use its movepool better. It comes with Hypnosis and Confusion (although you need one below level 17) and it learns Psychic and Moonblast by level up, and...
  5. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    Doesn't it learn Psychic? Or is this just a case of four-moveslot syndrome? As for my opinion on some we haven't touched yet: Hippopotas: fine in D. Team-hindering abilities are never good although it isn't permanent anymore it suffers from "build the team around me," which obviously isn't...
  6. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    Bagon seems D-Tier, available on Route 8 but is very rare, and until level 50 you have relatively crummy stats and a bad movepool (no STAB even until Dragon Breath at 32). Granted Salamence is a monster, but I don't think he's worth the effort, especially without the EXP share. Dragon Claw at 61...
  7. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    I think D-Tier may be a little harsh as it at least has good stats and if you do grind happiness for Psybeam its a good pokemon, and it learns some good TMs lategame in Dazzling Gleam, Grass Knot, and Shadow Ball. C-Tier is good imo. In my opinion (reasoning in previous posts): C-Tier: Espeon...
  8. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    By "going high" do you mean A range or anywhere above even C?
  9. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    Dig isn't exactly what I would consider ideal coverage, but Fire-types are very strong in X/Y seemingly. I'm going to stay with C-Tier but I've never actually used it in a playthrough. A set of Flamethrower / Flare Blitz / Dig / Return is probably close to as good as you're going to get. I'm...
  10. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    As for Vileplume: Oddish is available quite early in Route 6, and can be evolved into Vileplume with the Leaf Stone on Route 8 by the time you reach the second gym. Vileplume has great special attack and acceptable bulk but it is quite slow, and its movepool leaves much to be desired. You'll...
  11. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    After I posted I read over yours again and saw how similar they were but that's really all there is to say about the subject. Espeon without Psybeam is worthless.
  12. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    Espeon doesn't really have any truly favorable matchups except Korrina (even her if you miss Psybeam) and grinding happiness is inefficient for the purpose of an efficient run or a speed run. Sure it can kill Team Flare's Golbats all day but they were never really a problem anyway. It also...
  13. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    Also, Aromatisse and Slurpuff both seem fine in D-Tier. Aromatisse is slow as all hell and will always be taking hits, although it is at least somewhat bulky thanks to base 101 HP. Even then its stats still are not that great. Slurpuff has somewhat balanced stats but all of them are average at...
  14. Pokémon X & Y In-game Tier List Discussion

    This is going to be based solely on theory but I'd say: D-Tier Carvanha: available as soon as you get the Good Rod but requires backtracking all the way to Route 22 so really you won't be getting it until you have Fly. It's very frail and will probably die a lot but it has good dual offenses...
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