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Why are the Latis in the same tier? Shouldn't Latias be slightly higher? Their primarily role seems to be defogging and checking the primals. and Latias has the better bulk so she's able to defogger more consistently. Latios does have a better attack star yea but thanks to Soul Dew Latias is...

Yeah I hate how underrated Primal Kyogre is now and days but at the same time most teams aren't prepared for him so if Groudon goes down then the opposing team is in big trouble. Bonus points if Kyogre is the one to kill Groudon itself.

Sorry to revive such a dead thread but I noticed something. I see a lot of talk on what checks Primal Kyogre so I'm wondering...What does Primal Kyogre himself check/counter?

Ah alright. Guess I'll swap out ice beam for blizzard then and see how it goes.

Never thought I'd see people running Blizzard over Ice Beam, the a accuracy drop made it seem to risky to use. At this point would it be better to replace Ice Beam with Blizzard?

It does burn.

Brick Break Primal Kyogre to stronk. But in all honesty that's....Pretty lame. All that attack and it really has nothing to use it with, as stated earlier it's kind of a waste.

Does Kyogre not have any attacks that can make use of that base 150 attack? Waterfall would be a good choice, and it can run EQ if you really want it to but outside those two I can't think of anything else.

What if ice beam is replaced with calm mind so it runs: Calm Mind HP ground Thunder Origin Pulse