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It seems to me like these arguments talk past each other a little bit; one is arguing that Machoke is very good at its job, and the other is arguing that nothing has changed about Machoke's usage to warrant changing rank. I think that this is a difficult decision to make, because it comes down...

Hey guys, back again to bring up something no one wants to talk about. ;) I played around with Scraggy more and I *finally* have a replay that is valid enough to show what it does, against someone who has decent ranking. Unfortunately they had a silly mistake at the end, but what can you do...

I'll see if I can get some good replays with it. C- might be a bit high but it seemed alright to me, based on the effectiveness of other mons in the tier. It's not simple to pilot and probably needs some development on my end, but in general has been fairly rewarding and easily forces switches...

Scraggy: Unranked -> C-/C I've been playing around with scraggy a bit, and I think it's a shame that it's unranked. It fills an interesting niche as basically dark type Machoke. Nowhere near as strong, but bulkier due to recovery in drain punch. Having STAB knock-off is nice, and shed skin...

Edit: Yeah for what my opinion is worth Illusion is terrible. It's not amazing, but with a knowledgeable user it takes at least 2 down against offensive teams. It's unexpected because it's no longer tied to Zoroark and very BS to play against. Yeah, I can see a faster grass type as being a...

Coverage thunder doesn't OHKO from base-110 sp attk, actually. The only common Kyogre user I've seen below that is Greninja, but he's pretty common in the score range I play. Starmie still kills, but is less common. I tested both Weavile and Ninjask, and Crobat has a more reasonable defensive...

Jaeck I think you can't pass speed and attack. It's valid Ubers but banned OU.

So I've had a lot of fun with this mon. He's got a lot of utility and works well as an anti-lead. Crobat (Parasect) @ Leftovers Ability: Dry Skin EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Spore - Swords Dance - Knock Off - Poison Jab Certainly not the ridiculous level of power of a lot of mons...