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I feel like Drag might be solid enough to be ranked, but no higher than C- or C. Good special bulk, sneakily powerful, and a solid typing. It's got some truly miserable matchups towards the top of the usage chart, which is the biggest knock against it, but it's solid otherwise. Not as good as...

A quick aside, fox and falco aren't balanced at all. Fox, Falco, Marth, Jiggz, and Shiek are all unbalanced, which is why they're by far the winningest characters in melee. Just because you have to be good with fox to win doesn't balance him. It's like Gundam Wing, just because Tallgeese was...

Nope. The whole "alternative means of acquisition" argument is rough. It doesn't really have anything to do with anything, especially how much Pokemon is played on simulators. Drawing a distinction between the attainable and the unattainable is one thing. Drawing one between dream world and game...

It's not just the combination of drizzle and swift swim. Yes. Drizzle is important to Kingdra's being broken But not nearly as important are his ability, typing, stats, and movepool are. People ignore all this, and point fingers at drizzle because it's new. People scream and cry about the...

How is the dream world not an inherent part of pokemon? Because it wasn't an inherent part of Gens1-4? I'm not saying combination bans are a slippery slope that will lead to allowing crippled Pokemon in different tiers by banning their best abilities / moves. I'm saying that Drizzle is not the...

Just because you can decide not to give Kingdra or Ludi the support that they need doesn't make them unbroken. Yes, they need support, but with support, they're totally broken, and achieving the support is no problem. Sure, you can decide to run MH Thundurus instead of Politoed, but why should...

Essentially, I'd rather cripple a playstyle by banning its major abusers, whereas you'd rather cripple a playstyle by muzzling it with restrictions. I'd rather ban because everyone is overhyping the UU swift swimmers. It's like everyone forgets that they're actually not as good as Kingdra and...

That doesn't make the combination of drizzle + swift swim broken. People forget that the pokemon bring the biggest element of success. That's why I always suggest banning pokemon. It's the most elegant way to ban only what's broken. Sure, some pokemon fulfill multiple roles with different...

Lightningtiger, nobody wants to make Rain teams more powerful. It's not about that. It's about making the rules properly. I want the game to be balanced as much as everyone, but I don't like following rules that are bullshit. Aldaron's proposal indicates that swift swim and drizzle are...

I only voted for option 3. Banning the broken pokemon is the solution. When rain offense was broken, we saw a problem. Rather than fix it, the whole smogon community tried to convince itself that the problem was something else. The complex bans are ridiculous. Instead of rules to ban broken...

@truevillany It's not that SR means that you can't use certain pokemon. You can use whoever you want. However, SR creates a competitive environment where certain pokemon are MUCH less viable based only on their typing. This is centralization, plain and simple. Now, I won't argue that SR is...

Zapados and Voltolos say no-no-nos

Zam and Reuniclus are totally different pokemon, despite having the same ability and type. Reuniclus sets up SUPER well, but is vulnerable because it has to. Zam can't set up for shit, but doesn't need to. This sounded initially gimmicky, but has anyone tried a set using guard split and...

Here's my beef with aldaron's proposal: It seems like it's trying to keep these pokemon in OU, because we feel that they are not too good for OU. However, I beg to differ. 1. Kingdra, Kabutops, and Ludicolo all have decent stats, but it is notable that they have EXCELLENT stats for abusing...

Here's my schpiel as to the "complicated bans" and "simple bans" argument. Weather/pokemon/ability bans should be allowed. i.e.- no using SS Kingdra, Kabutops & Ludicolo on a team with drizzle. This is exactly 1 variable more complicated than the ban resulting from Aldaron's proposal...

I'm not referring to a dedicated playstyle, such as rain stall. Rain stall is bad. I'm talking about being able to capitalize upon the benefits of rain without being confined into the sweeping mindset, as you are with rain dance. If you set up rain dance, you've probably got damp rock, so you've...

I read them, lol, it's just that I don't have a watertight answer for that one. That's probably the only thing that makes banning drizzle an idea worth considering. What complicates things, however, is that the pokemon in question don't really get much play outside of Rain Dance teams. It's...

Ok. The next question is, when you still have Golduck, Poliwrath, Quilfish, Huntail, Gorebyss, Relicanth, Floatzel, Armaldo, Tsunbear, Omastar, Gamagerogue, and Seaking is rain offense really dead? That's where I disagree with you. I feel like banning the sweepers will give the best of both...

@Masterful I understand how unbalanced you think drizzle is. I just have a question: If Kingdra, Ludicolo, and Kabutops are sent to Ubers, do you actually think drizzle will still be broken? That's what I'm not getting. Because, you see: 1. Both sides of this argument feel that rain teams...

@Masterful- Nobody says that Drizzletoad is broken by itself, or that drizzle breaks politoed. People say that drizzle breaks other pokemon, which is different. People want to ban drizzletoad so that swift swimmers aren't broken (and manaphy). I'll change my wording, though.