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Well i think you got some godd advice up there^ But i recomend, on Venu, Giga drain over grass not (for the HP recovery) and black sludge over Leftovers, just incase for some odd reason someone uses trick.

Ok so please READ this: There are moves that i chose to include BEFORE i made the them, and they are: Spikes, Toxic spikes, Stealth rock, Heal bell. Leech seed, a sleep move (sleep poweder), Light Screen, Reflect, Wish, Rapid spin, Roar. At a glance: Forretress (M) @ Shed Shell...

Um can you show my where that guide is, i cant seem to find it...sorry Also, I know Celebi is better but she does not do the same thing as Venusaur, that was the point I meant to make. Most people see him and say Celebi is better right away, but She sub seeds, Venusaur is more based on...

Well At the moment this isnt really a stall team at all, but I want to move in that direction so keep that in mine as you post..Ok Here we go: Swampert (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Torrent EVs: 240 HP/52 Atk/216 Def Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Ice Punch - Aqua Tail ---...

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Torrent EVs: 240 HP/52 Atk/216 Def Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Ice Punch - Aqua Tail --- My SR opener, I went with a pure physical set, should i change that? Also if not Aqau Tail over waterfall right? Venusaur (M) @ Black Sludge...