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So i'm not really sure how I didn't think of spec's latias, I think I put it in the late game sweeper role and just built the rest of the team. I feel pretty dumb about that one now. the thing I like about t-tar is that he fills the kyogre role, removes negative weather, helps your team, and...

alrighty thanks for some great rates! here we go :) So the thing about being weak to set-up sweepers is, don't let them set-up. this team has such insanely powerful attacks coming from everywhere, that switching into a set-up sweeper should be hard, even if they resist the attack, because of...

EDIT: seems like Mox's quote got deleted, I felt it was relevant, but I guess it was content light. either way, I'm interested in opinions on latias' replacement. Funny you should mention that, I just heard this news last night - still pretty new to the whole competitive battling environment...

wow thanks for the suggestions :-D I like the idea of a bulky water for a secondary spec's user. I was considering empoleon (modest) @ Specs 4 hp / 252 SpA / 252 spe ~ Hydro Pump ~ Ice Beam ~ Grass Knot ~ Surf It's a bulky water, 4x resists that pesky bullet punch, and ice beam...

I was leaning towards stone edge also. Luckily Ice Fang is a rarity on gyarados (usually it's stone edge, EQ, DD, waterfall), so Latias can ~usually~ take him on, but having a 2nd way to get Gyarados off his sweep seems important.

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@Haunter - yeah sorry about that :-/ - the Latias was mostly an I'm too tired to keep writing, I'll update that. @ Bartman - I agree that I need a revenge killer, thoughts on running Scarf Flygon in the salamence slot? it's immune to sandstorm, and works as a secondary scout with u-turn to run...

So I hate stalling, and I kinda hate setting up and just being forced to switch out against a good check. I was tooling around the ubers archives and I ran across Shadows and Dust - Deep Thought's UBER ladder team, and thought to myself "huh that seems awesome, I think I'll try that concept in...

yeah, I started on a gliscor already, totally agree there...not sure where this gyarados having stone edge came from, but he's always had quake :-p I switched to ice fang a while ago because I didn't have a good answer to flygon/gliscor/salamence, and stone edge isn't 4x, also ice fang misses a...

That's a fair point, still has the problem of getting earthquaked by good prediction, but doesn't require a tbolt to be useful.

My first RMT - so be gentle currently sitting at 12-5 record wise on another forum, recently discovered the smogon RMT area, and I felt I needed some help, so here I am :) As an offensive team we start with a momentum lead, my favorite for this (also powerpuff fitting) is Infernape...