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  1. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    One thing I'd like to add to these replays is that once kommo-o is set up it doesn't have to play around anything, just attack what's in front of it. No needing to hit things on the switch as some other sweepers do. Demi I was wondering what nature/ev spread you're running in these replays...
  2. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    I think the double dance set with dragon dance + clang soul is actually pretty good. I'm waiting until I get my kommo-o team to the high ladder to post a more in depth analysis. As my replays currently look like this idiocy: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-832472983 If I played it a...
  3. Ok thanks. Happy to abide by the rules of the forum.

    Ok thanks. Happy to abide by the rules of the forum.
  4. It's part of the discussion slate as UR to C-, do I need replays for that or to quote the post...

    It's part of the discussion slate as UR to C-, do I need replays for that or to quote the post? I'll refrain from double posting in the future.
  5. Resource Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread (read the op before posting a thread)

    Not that I'm advocating for soundproof but a scenario: Kommo-o comes in on a mon it forces out clicks substitute as they switch to mega gard. Clicks belly drum as they click hyper voice to ko through sub but immunity. Now has boosts and subs which it can usually sweep behind. I just lost a match...
  6. Metagame USUM Memetagame Discussion was a mistake

    Thanks I think I'll give CM Lele a try. It doesn't matter whether Togekiss is a good or bad stall killer in USUM (it was like 100% victory against stall in ORAS), I was using it as an example of a mon that excelled against stall but was too shitty to use on a team. I still hate calm mind...
  7. Metagame USUM Memetagame Discussion was a mistake

    Hi, thanks for the reply. I was hoping for a little bit more of a substantive conversation. In my experience against a standard sab/chans/unaware user is that you can't accomplish anything unless you net a ko on one of those three. Setup sweepers that can overpower a stall team get blocked by...
  8. Metagame USUM Memetagame Discussion was a mistake

    Nice writeup on stall, I'm curious in USUM what is generally used to break stall. I've been relying a strategy of z-move my way through whatever is preventing my team from doing its thing and proceeding from there. This is of course a pretty unstable strategy as if they predict z-move I've...
  9. Resource Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread (read the op before posting a thread)

    In an OU environment what is the best ability for Kommo-O to use with sub-belly drum? Bulletproof lets it setup on certain choice locked mons. Soundproof prevents it taking damage behind sub from sound attacks. Overcoat negates weather damage and provides immunity to powder moves like spore or...
  10. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    I get what you're saying, but I think it only applies to mons where their sets that beat their current counters are out of favor. Volcarona and what z-crystal it runs is a prime example. I think currently Tapu koko is a mon where its "standard" sets are "struggling" but it can adapt pretty...
  11. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    Heracross Mega B to B+: Disagree So I've made a new team and gotten to play around with the most overlooked of the three mega-bugs (no I'm not counting beedrill lol). It has its pluses and minuses. On one hand it is incredibly hard to switch into and nukes the metagame with its coverage...
  12. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    Thank you Gary, this was a helpful comment. I have respect for tournament play, just don't think tournament players need a VR ranking to reference.
  13. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    I'm going to ask a dumb question. But, what exactly is the purpose of the viability rankings? Because, if the purpose is to rank how good things are in tournament play, than that's a problem because mon viability is context dependent and I don't know what the usage looks like in tours. It might...
  14. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    Interesting set of noms: Scizor drop is appropriate in my opinion. It's still dangerous but flawed and the metagame seems particularly unfavorable to it right now with celesteela being used a ton and things like lando-t z sets making a bit of a comeback. No way should tapu koko drop. Koko +...
  15. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    The point I was trying to make isn't that it needs a low skill opponent to function (it's not cloyster lol). But, that the margin of error against it is small, to the point where you need to be well prepped and play nearly perfectly against it to prevent it from destroying you. That absolutely...
  16. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-829531726 Just wanted to post a realistic mid-high ladder ash-gren experience (a tilt run kicked me down to the 1600s, I'll be back to my normal 1750-1850 range in short order) to give a different view than OLT where ash-gren and its counters are in...
  17. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    One last final closing argument for Ash-Greninja by me(as I think we've just about argued this to death). This debate seems to me to be more on what qualifies as S-tier than how good is Ash-Greninja. Lando-t and heatran are great mons, but they're not as threatening as Ash-Greninja. They are...
  18. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    Nice work with the replays. Good examples of when it works, and when it fails. I would like to make some comments on the replays as a supporter of gren-ash into S that I think need to be pointed out: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-392618 Yeah the ninja user still lost, but...
  19. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    Gren is frail always it isn't switching into attacks generally. Also lol no, not a lot in the game is avoiding a 2HKO from even its pre-transformed form. Pre-transformation Greninja is still dangerous as hell. Some calcs to show how hard "regular greninja" is to switch into if you aren't running...
  20. Resource USUM OU ULTRA Viability Ranking Thread

    Wanted to sound off on this one, as both mons deserve a rise with the increase in stall. But they absolutely should not be on the same rank, since Chansey offense/balance is a thing whereas mega-sab not on stall really isn't. Yeah I've seen a few high-ladder teams run mega-sab + volcarona, but...
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