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Sup with the random friending brah?

Heatran isn't stopping Ferrothron from switching to Gliscor... unless Tran is packing HP Ice... actually most do so yeah you're right

Saying that aren't most Psychics running PsyShock now? So taking defence into count, not special. In that particular case GLiscor is okay, however Psychic (the move) itself is still around, and that's about the only other good Psychic move itself. So it's depends really.

Ah yes that's correct, my bad, it just ran off the keyboard. The only 150's are in Rain and Sun. Sorry ^^'

I hadn't noticed people being confused TBH. Roserades niche comes in its High special attack and Weather Ball. Incoming Rain? You have a 150 Water move. Sand? 150 Rock. Sun is great too, SolarBeam (if you will) and WB Fire will rock. Plus you still have an open HP to use.

Agreed. Chlorophyll seems to be the go to Ability with most Grass, but GF trolled us saying "Lets shake things up a bit" and gave us Leaf Guard, and lose it for Technician, which isn't awful, but isn't wanted. GF TROLL Wins

I think we'd all love for some Pokémon to get Contrary, like Arcanine with Close Combat would be good? Salamence Draco Meteor spam? Loads can abuse Contrary, that's why only few have it. I think Technician is great because it gives it another option, it can Lead much better now IMO. And...

Wouldn't it only be x5? Why would Terrakion hit itself :S Is it just me?

Yeah major Grammar Nazis, though I can't talk I am too, I just shut up most of the time :P

This really goes to show how much of a difference B/W has made, Flygon, Jolteon, Zapdos, Togekiss, AERODACTYL, Kingdra, Mamoswine, Mew, just for example, UU. They were glorious in last gen OU, and have now fallen to UU. UU just got more interesting, perhaps I shall play more often ^^

Very true. We all have an understanding that we want fun, obviously, its how people get that fun when they play the metagame. To be frank, if you don't like, leave, I think is how it always will be. If theres a change made, even if you don't like but play, then cool, but if ya don't like, don't...

Then don't play Pokémon :S People do enjoy it, that's why we're here, and it looks like if nothing was banned, we'd still play. You are right it is all very opinionated, but I reckon we'd still play, and the post before was correct, we don't want to mould a new game, we want what we have...

Ya might wanna throw in HJK or another Fighting move, otherwise he's still blocked by Heatran, but I see your point.

I agree. We should ban Poké's not combinations. And as much as I hate to say it purely for my love of Garchomp, that it should be banned. It did well in Ubers before, it still will, and OU will miss it, but Garchomp should go. (Sorry Garchomp :'( much love)

Edit: And just to think last gen we wanted Stealth Rock banned >.< I don't think people want to get rid of weather to replay 4th gen. People adapt, like we have for years. This gen has only gone and given us more toys, but just because some people don't like those toys, does that mean you...

Very true. Ban leads to ban leads to ban. OR we just stick with what we're given and play our cards how we want.

Fair enough I knew that would be the issue. It's common sense, but yes we need numbers. The only ones I can offer are the number of people who would continue to play Smogon OU University with weather gone, compared to the numbers of those who, in a nutshell, still wanna play weather. And thats...

I think it's kinda unfair even considering getting rid of weather. Weather is another way of play, you use it or you don't, if you don't and you find yourself coming across more, then have a counter. It's like (but not the same) as every other big thing that comes with a new metagame. Last gen...

So this would just be for Stall... It works, not doubting that, but shame about Foul Play. Was kinda hoping that would be fun to use being a slightly gimmicky but usable Dark move, the strongest Physical one at that. Nevermind.

Thanks for the calcs. That put you'd just up another FD and Mence is really running low on choices but to switch. edit: yeah I see now. I didn't really think it'd be very effective but I was proven wrong. Is Foul Play affected by the base ATK of the opponent? So if Mence was FeathDance'd is Foul...