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Wip: Optional Defining Moves: Thunder, Knock Off, Encore Restrained (tank) Forme: HPAtkDefSpASpDSpeBST 80701459017080635 PSSSPTSTBSRBSR Limit 74.3694.00143.53166.07627.41630 (640 -5 for Thunder, -5 for Knock Off) Unleashed (cleaner) Forme: HPAtkDefSpASpDSpeBST...

WIP (I will probably not actually progress it) Optional defining moves: Freeze-Dry (I made no attempt to actually check what it did to anything but I think it should have an option to hit waters), Knock Off Tank: 80 HP/93 Atk /101 Def/116 SpA /165 SpD /85 Spe, 640 BST, PS 96.8 /SS 119.65 /PT...

I'm gonna just put some arguments out there and see if I develop an opinion on how to vote somewhere along the way. Who knows, maybe someone else will too. I don't think SD Gliscor adds much of a problem factor here. The dominant set is bulky spiker, most of the issues raised with it relate to...

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If Tera gets outright banned, I'd wager it's never getting unbanned. Without Tera being present in the meta and new evidence of its effects being created, it's really hard to see how support for it could grow after a ban. Stall being crazy strong would probably be the only thing that could drive...

We have the results of the responses to our first SV OU tiering survey up here! It seems increasingly likely that we are approaching the first suspect of generation, and the subject of it is set to be Terastallization. As alluded to previously, the plan is to make it a two-prompt suspect (it...

As far as the suspect vote is concerned IMO the whole thing should be one big ranked choice vote, with all of the different restrictions as well as outright ban and no action in one prompt. The system Finchinator mentioned puts people who prefer no action to an outright ban but prefer some...

I dont hate the separate ladder idea, but IMO if a separate ladder is used the main SV OU should be the Tera ladder and the separate ladder should be non-Tera OU.

I'm gonna use my 1300 rating to appoint myself the representative of bad players, because it doesn't really make sense for Smogon to make rulesets that only appeal to the most hardcore players. Bad/casual players liking the mechanic, either because it makes them feel like they have more of a...

IMO this is where "current gen should appeal to as many people as possible" vs. "each gen should have its own identity so that at least one will appeal to anyone" comes in. Gen 9 is way more offensive than prior gens, not just from Tera but from the recovery nerf + no Ferro and Lando + hazards...

Agreeing only to Tera with Pokemon with no held item is a very feasible gentleman's agreement. Only Teraing while holding Tera Shards or a Heal Ball is also doable, but that makes it vulnerable to Knock IIRC. "It's what megas and Z crystals did" is also a pretty decent argument! Those were...

If the Tera Orb can't be knocked off, you could just run no item. Only real difference is with Acrobatics, and from what I've seen Roaring Moon is the only mon that's really relevant for. Basically no Teraing if you have an item. Idk how that interacts with Trick/Switcheroo though.

I think part of the question (a part I really want to hear from Finchinator on) is how much we value maintaining a unique identity for a generation vs. creating the best metagame for the median player/greatest number of players. I guess the question would be, do you consider the community...

It's not like Pokemon haven't had specific restrictions placed on them to work in OU before, like the Soul Dew ban or the Sand Rush ban on Excadrill. We also really shouldn't base balancing choices for competitive 6v6 singles based on GameFreak's intentions IMO. GameFreak balances Pokemon based...

I do think some of the issues with the meta being super prediction reliant is just because offense is crazy strong right now, because of hazards, the recovery nerf, the scald and knock cutbacks, and the huge power of the new attackers. Tera might well be fine in a less offense-dominated meta.

I mean yeah, but if it was worse than it wasn't worth the same amount of effort to salvage as Tera is.

You could also take the view that the support for Tera being higher means that it's a better, more competitive mechanic, and therefore justifies more effort to try and make work relative to Dynamax, which was much more heavily disliked. You could also say that tera is more strategic since it can...

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Yeah and this ultimately just turns into a matter of quantity. Does Tera break a huge swath of pokemon or just a few? But that's obviously not answered by a small number of specific matchups, that's answered by looking at large swaths of the metagame.

I mean one of the gripes about 3 pointers is that it's almost impossible to beat teams on a hot shooting night, which is why teams that trade all of their stars can become great, and that running cold on 3s can just instantly torpedo a team (like the 0-27 incident), so it's pretty similar IMO...