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That's a shame, but thank you for answering.

Do the swimming goggles exist or not? I've been trying to find info about them on Serebii and if I recall there was a thread about them here on Smogon, but I cant find it. So I'm wondering if it was like a mistranslation or they just plain dont exist.

Although it is a possibility we wont get shadow tag shandy (a huge disappointment it would be) we probably still will just not in a timely manner. That means, you cant dismiss the threat just yet. I agree completely with you nano. If Shanderaa doesn't get shadow tag in the end, meaning it will...

Interesting, I'll have to check this out. Really? Why do you wish that Shanderaa, having two of the best abilities ever, had levitate? I can see it replacing flame body but still.

How the heck did you do this? Shadow Tag shanderaa isn't even legal yet.

The only way I can see the Shanderaa hype being like that is that Shanderaa's durability in the metagame to come becomes more limited then initially perceived and that it would be harder then speculated for Shanderaa to come in and set up. Of course, if Shandy never gets Shadow Tag then the hype...

@Golemguy: Yes, most likely I think Unburden is arguably more useful, as has been stated by many in this thread. Heat Rampage has its uses but if it cant get Trick then it'll be limited.

I'm very glad I read this thread, because, at first, I always viewed this change as bad as something that would lower the amount of skill and prediction in competitive battling. Now, however, I see I was wrong and that it is just another change in the way we play Pokemon and that whether we like...

Due to Shadow Tag Shandy actually not being out yet (in addition to the fact that it might never be out) I was thinking about a flash fire version.

If this is true, that stinks and it is taking a lot of the prediction and skill out of the battle. It also robs shanderaa of the chance to come in on a choiced move its immune to, set up, and pown.

I cant see this thing bringing that much to the table. Due to its initial fraility, its ability to sweep will be limited because of its ability. I doubt we'll see much of it initially, but, it does have its niche like wingedknight said.

This set reminds me of the havoc mence wreaked with DD. I view Sazandora as the salamence of Gen V just more specially orientated, has better defensive typing, and isn't weak to SR.

Am I the only one who believes healing beam (was it heal beam?) and healing heart make blissey an amazing cleric in something like a triple or double battle?

Didn't think of it that way, but it sounds like it'll just end up like spiritomb, left behind in some lonely stone to rot away for thousands of years till one daring soul puts it on a stall team.

Then you have to think about partners to threaten those who threaten Shanderaa.

I know gamestop had April first on their product listing for b/w a while ago (not sure if its still there) but other then that, no.

good gimmicks have the power to win battles. I once lost to a torment tran because my blissey only had seismic toss as an attacking move (wish, toxic, and protect were the other moves) when he sent out heatran I thanked my stars that it wasn't a physical sweeper only to realize the true horrors...

What does it matter? Shiburudon wont make OU because of its abysmal base 50 speed. This would be ok if its defenses were stronger, but, because they're not, it wont make the cut. That is one of the hugest, and probably the most deciding, difference between the two. I was just tossing out a Gen V...

Thank you! A Pokemon only deserves to be banned after it has had a chance to compete and has been proven broken.

your welcome. i can agree wth u on some of that but sometimes favorites dont win battles.