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Well, since apparently we will continue to talk about sleep instead of the active suspect test of Kyurem, I'll once again say I find it hilarious when someone says "but we've had the mod for so long." just because it took awhile for enough people to realize that the mod was a mistake doesn't...

I think Yawn would likely be too strong, but I would personally not oppose a suspect test. Unlike other sleep where if you land it, the mon is just unusable for a random number of turns, yawn could be seen as a roar/whirlwind that has the option to sleep instead. I once again say I feel it'd...

Clearly will be both dropping Chi-Yu and banning snow It's a shame to see Ninetales-Alola go, but snow is clearly overpowered and needs to be gotten rid of. /s As long as its not under-20c, its fine really.

A suspect test, as mentioned prior, would have been an unrestricted sleep meta. I *guess* we could have spent a week or two with 6 mons that either have spore, sleep talk, or both. but I'm not going to mourn the loss of that experience.

yeah I only skimmed the policy review thread but even I knew that the survey was moreso just a guideline. I figured pretty much anything over a 3 would get it banned based on the views I saw expressed by mods and council members here.

As a less experienced player, let me take a crack at translating that Pokemon Bans: Tend to be gen specific unless its obvious,open to being unbanned just as easily and can be unbanned at the change of the meta when a new game or DLC releases Policy change: Integrated into the very way Smogon...

My man is ordering their last meal as we speak

I have to agree that Hypnosis Darkrai wasn't even good, as it was basically a 60% chance to win, 40% to die. It's just the fact that it had a 60% chance to be a 6-0 was uncompetitive, not necessarily good. its the same idea that evasion isn't even a good strategy, but its also an uncompetitive...

I want to see who is the first person to get two sleeps active at once with Relic Song and post a replay of it

Darkrai and H-Lil are doing fine, Amoongus is applying to McDonalds, and the autopsy is currently under way for Breloom

I think the next few pages will be people taking victory laps/complaining about the results, THEN its back to Uber drops.

Darkrai for UU! /s

I imagine it depends on what logic the council uses for the ban, should this be sleep. For example, if the council bans it due to finding sleep even with clause uncompetitive, it could be re-reviewed. but if the council finds the clause incompatible with current policy, I'd suspect it won't get...

I gave Gholdengo and Kyurem a 4, Sleep a 5, and everything else a 3 or lower.

There is already a survey set to go up to ask people's opinion on sleep, after which the council will make a decision. Really we're just discussing stuff to kill time because, as has been said before, its clear no public consensus is being reached

So when we started this debate, I sided with ban sleep purely because of the fact of wanting consistency with rulings, something which I made clear with the arguments I made. But as this debate has gone on, I am now in agreement that sleep is uncompetitive even without considering tiering...

Exactly, its just kicking the can down the road to maintain some sorta status quo, why keep a mistake made 2 decades ago, that does not align with other standards, just because "Well its always been like this"

This is exactly it As I've said in another post, so many proposals for how to handle a ban or a policy are shot down with the reason "You can't replicate that on cart" So if you want to be able to keep using that reason, you best clean up old archaic rulings from 2 decades ago to keep it up to...

You keep ignoring the main point we are making We find the very existence of a sleep clause mod to be a problem, and that it should be removed. we then theorize sleep would be too strong and need a quick ban once the illogical exception is removed.

The fact Terapagos-mid was banned because of traditional rulings is one of the reasons why I am being harsh on sleep clause, actually. If we sit here and say "We can't do that because we can't do it on cart" or "traditionally, we don't do those sorts of complex bans" then we should do away with...