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So what’s the plan here? Are you guys not suspecting Volc? I agree the meta is a few moves away from being Ok (although my enjoyment has really gone down lately) but it sounds like you don’t think there’s a route for that.

Don‘t that meta wasn’t without issues/redundancy. Just saying that 8 bans to fix the meta isn't going to happen. Also just because those mons were used a lot doesn’t mean the meta is unbalanced.

I think it’s sort of a ridiculous concept, even if people think the meta needs work. I don’t think many people, especially top players feel the meta is 8 bans away. I think power creep may be your issue over the meta. I thought the end of DLC1 was quite balanced, I’ve even heard people complain...

I also don’t understand this as a factor of bans. Finch mentions it a lot for problematic pokemon, but if it’s truly a factor then the meta would need like 6-10 bans to be fixed lol. This whole gen is defined by being able to cheese your way out of typically poor match ups. However, I do think...

Skarm loses to the Tera fly taunt set, Lando T also cant hit the Moon after Tera fly. I agree Gambit is good in conjunction with other mons but you have to scope out whether or not its EQ or taunt.

Thanks for the response. It’s funny because I feel the opposite when using balance. I disagree with sticky barb clef as a switch in as Tera flying 2HKOs max def and that goes back to my point that it always requires you sack at least one Mon (or Tera to survive a hit). Sticky barb also doesn’t...

Finchinator do you have any thoughts on Roaring Moon. It feels like even though it isn’t the Mon that usually wins games, it always makes an uncompetitive amount of progress and has extremely limited counterplay. It often requires you to Tera or trade 1.5 mons in return for killing it...

I also think Moon is cracked, it has very minimal answers if you don’t Tera to stop it or run stall. Agree it won’t be banned though.

I’m not hopeful. All the conversation sounds like the same thing before the last two suspects for me. People are split, a high ranked player comes from the top rope and says everyone who votes ban is swine who are a blight on the education system, and then the Mon at issue isn’t banned by a vote...

What are some options for boots space ti deal with Gholdengo? I’ve noticed it’s been putting more of a strain on balance lately. We’re reaching the point in the meta where things slow down a bit and it’s back to being sort of broken. (I know it won’t get banned because nothing does dw)

I don’t necessarily think your fucked without HBD. But the meta feels very rock-paper-scissors. Technically a lot of stuff is viable, but it’s also a lot of auto-losing because teams heave more holes than ever before. I don’t think there’s a fix to this though and this is the meta for at least...

Idk about anyone else, but I’m starting to see a lot more stall around 1600-1800 with Tera dragon Dozo to handle Ogerpon. Idk what the solution to the meta is, but while we wait I think it will put much more of a strain on styles between Stall and HO. It’s very tough to fit a breaker, knocker...

What do you feel is the biggest issue with the meta right now?

Yeah that’s why I said bottom of the list. Aren’t you supposed to be on an extended break after the Gouging Fire DNB?

My brother in christ there's a good chance a lot of these developments would have happened anyway, Kingambit has completely and utterly warped the meta around him and it shows because EVERY good team has at least 1 fighting or fairy type. A lot of these pokemon would have competition in a...

I would disagree with this. I think threat saturation is still an issue. It’s not that one of those aforementioned mons are grossly problematic like Sneasler or Bax, but in the context of a meta with all of them, it creates a lot of team building stress unless you’re going very offensive. I...

I don’t think the meta sucks, I’m just I’m more pointing this out as sort of an interesting development in the meta than a reason for more bans. I think the issues with the meta mostly stem from the top tier mons being so powerful it allows periphery pokemon that are good, but match up...

I think Kyurem is still cracked but fair point. I would argue that the bans were very obviously broken mons. And the Kingambit 54% still stings.

I disagree with 4MSS, as Finch said Pulse, IB, Sludge/FB are fine and allow it to pick its counters. Further, while Pult can counter it, it obviously can’t switch into it, which means you may have to sac a Mon to set up that position. Good point with Zama, I’ll try it out.

yeah I don’t think it’s top priority at all. Maybe even a pipe dream with the way bans have gone this gen. but it’s def going up in usage