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all dream world abilities will be released at some point and that's all the matters so enough with the technicalities.

exactly my point. Now if erufuun didn't have that ability he would of got crushed by aerodactyl or anything faster.

MH is def not broken, it just makes support pokemon not get crushed by the raw power of this generations pokemon.

i dropped the ball...

If any MH pokemon can even learn ESpeed then it would have a priority of +3 not +4 but normally it would have +2 priority.

well water moves in general are pretty common considering when combined with a normal move have neutral coverage except for shedinja, but any pokemon that can take a water hit and appreciate having its special attack raised.

just to clarify the attack does have to be successful so immunities and misses wont activate the red card.

Explosion is still the highest BP move in the game plus with stab,adaptability, band, or silk scarf it can do massive damage but it's not the OHKO move it used to be unless u find a pokemon with high base atk like metagross to abuse it.

I thought this thread was about evostone not regigigas or slaking who cant even use the item.

case and point. Still on the same topic i feel that MH leads loose predictability and originality so it would be better to bring them out mid match so they don't get K.O.d right off the bat.

ill test it just to see if it works right now then ill edit this post in 5-10mins. EDIT: evostone does not work with phione.

@GravityZero what would you like me to test on phione w/evostone? just be specific and ill test it in the next 30 mins. EDIT: look at the sig ill test anything just be specific and PM me.

I feel that at the start of B/W when the metagame is starting to form these MH leads will become so popular that anyone who see a pokemon that can have MH as its ability will simply just attack and kill the MH lead and not even try to set up.

couldn't you just pokeshift an Xatu from last gen with sleep talk into B/W then put that Xatu into dreamworld to get his DW ability then just breed it until it has sleep talk and it's DW ability?

don't get confused anybody he can hold items just tested it lol.

Bulb IS real and i have tested some things about it. 1. One time use item. 2. Does not give you an immunity to water moves u still take damage. 3. Does not work with immunities/abilities that nullify/absorb water attacks you must be hit and receive damage for bulb to activate the sp.atk increase.

I just tested u-turn on a pokemon holding escape button and the pokemon holding the escape button switches before the u-turn pokemon. Also one big thing that happens is the poke who used u-turn on the poke with escape button doesn't switch out so the u turn was a waste and the poke with escape...

Would wynaut with evolution stone in LC be a viable option? Also just in case anyone who didn't read previous 17 pages of this thread i feel like the best users of this item would be nosepass, dusclops, shieldon, metang, bronzor, togetic, bayleef, wartortle, lileep, and likitung along with the...

I just tested red card out on my lvl 60 jaroda in the elite 4 and red card is a "one-time use item that forces the Pokemon attacking the holder to immediately switch out, unless holder is KO'd by the attack. Ingrain and Suction Cups prevent its effect. The other player is not allowed to...