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There’s like well over 30 knock off users that range from viable to incredible in SV OU. Any competent teambuilder can make a team well prepared for boots spam. Seriously, god forbid a game goes over 20 turns lmao, please stay away from literally other generation if a game going double digit...

yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about lmao, I know it's not literally ZapKingLu. How common do you think fat bootspam is? When is the last time you've even seen it on the ladder?

Seriously bro can we blacklist this phrase from discussion. It’s been 2 years since this was an actually common archetype and despite people “warning” it will come back after every ban it never does. They said it would come back when volcarona got banned. Never happened. They said it would come...

This is actually a really strong point I somehow completely missed lmao. Baton pass wasn't broken on every pokemon it got, hell many pokemon would simply like to use it for dry passing. I could see mola running it over flip turn as an easy example.

So if we have to ban 1/3 of the tier over its, that is better than banning a cheese option? I really don't understand this way of thinking. The primary argument of the pro tera blast crowd is that banning it will decrease the number of options, when it reality it will increase it. Again think...

I want to highlight this part of ausma's post again as I think its relevant to the current discussion. Pokemon using tera to power up existing coverage options is different because often times they will be running these moves anyway (Tera Ice tusk to power up Ice spinner, Tera ground Kyurem to...

idk man seems like a lot of people here seems to agree with this notion lmaoevery pokemon learns tera blast. It was good on volcarona. That pokemon was riding more off its ability to get 2 quiver dances off of a defensive tera hence, why they don't have any good coverage, an intentional choice...

even if there has only been 3 actual bans, there is atleast 5 more users that are controversial with the move I am not saying it makes the tier unplayable or something, far from it. However, this doesn't mean it's not a desirable element and it also doesn't mean the tier wouldn't improve...

Obviously every gen sees constant experimentation and innovation, however I don't think its fair to even suggest that any other gen is even close to SV OU when it comes to sheer "suprise factor". This isn't necessarily a bad thing; however the biggest point the ban TB crowd wants to put forth is...

idk if anyone agrees but I think slowbro should be higher. I've been liking helmet recently, a solid pivot that can be played proactively thanks to regen and can use helmet to chip down most physical attackers (it's notably really good into the Power up Punch mega meta sets), and its typing even...

Zamazenta broken in big 2025? Reminder that neither Zama nor Ting-lu have reliable recovery, so I think its ludicrous to suggest you need tera blast to beat them when you can simply wear them down with hazards and good play. They get used a lot because they check a lot of problematic things...

Yeah I do agree with this. I’m not sure how many broken users their needs to be (last respects and shed tail only needed two but this is probably different), but I think theres a good argument that it is broken on at the very least, Dnite, Kyurem, and Gambit. There are more examples in OU but if...

I do think you have a very strong argument (easily the best dnb tera blast by far) but I think this is worth touching on. I don’t find tera blast and hidden power comparable at all. Hidden Power was 60 BP and considering the STAB boost, Tera blast is 120 BP, double the BP. Think about how hidden...

Speaking of this, what do people think of physdef hydrapple? Still has nasty plot to work around the power drop and the physdef allows it to survive even +2 play rough, and even without investment can do a solid 60%+ with draco meteor, meaning as long as its holding helmet pon will be near dead...

GSC lax is unquestionably broken lmao. However, that's a very unique case of a broken mon's presence being so overwhelmingly positive for the tier that it justifies keeping it around in spite of its metagame warping effect. However, since this case is so unique it really can't be used as a...

I second this. I’ve found that putting bulk and mega gardevoir does wonders for its overall consistency. HP investment helps make the most out of mega gard’s solid special bulk, and also helps patch up your usually heinous physical bulk to help stay out of pursuit range and potentially punish a...

Everyone said the exact same thing about the roaring moon ban, fear mongering about the rise of fat and spoiler alert, that didn’t really happen at all. What really ended up happening is we saw the rise of new threats like ceruledge (granted, these new threats are FAR more manageable than moon...

I think this is overall a strong dnb post but I do have some counterarguments I'd like to share. The difference lies in the fact that pretty much everything else in the tier has at the very least, somewhat decent answers. Zama is answers by a ton of things, gambit is answered by the metal...

Not trying to switch in forever, I’m not sure where you got that. I’m trying to switch in ONCE, lmao. Its absolutely healthy to be able to make progress, you don’t see me complain about darkrai, weavile, gliscor, dragapult, or whatever. The issue is not it making progress, its claiming automatic...

Let’s hear them. You say there are ivy cudgel switch ins but tell me what can handle tera water ivy cudgel backed by coverage like pwhip, play rough, knock, uturn, taunt, and encore. Knock + Uturn paired with hazards on its own can in invalidate pretty much everything that doesn't instantly...