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I see where you’re coming from but i’m not using what-ifs, just pointing out what happened when we briefly had a meta without kyurem. What we saw was gliscor rise, and the mons I mentioned were also more prevalent. Also, with a mon like kyurem still in the tier, gliscor for the most part can’t...

To hopefully undo some of the brain damage i’ve contributed to inducing upon all readers of this thread, I do ultimately think Gliscor’s time to go will come - but this time should not be before Kyurem. Gliscor is discouraged from setting up by mons like but not limited to: hydrapple, offensive...

were these calcs done with mola set to shiny or not?

turn 65 vs fat and things happen brev, also booster speed moth is the superior moth set (pls tell me you don’t think i’m actually calling for alo ban)

yea nice calc from another should-be uber pal 132 SpA Tera Grass Iron Moth Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 530-626 (99.2 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO tera grass moth doesn’t even ohko guaranteed, if this isn’t grounds for calling for mola’s removal idk what is

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