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And Feint... but who runs that?

Thanks for the reply Wichu. I would love to see a style of battling where the results of an attack were known before taking them. We can already slightly predict damage ranges, what if we took that a step further? Then it's more like a card match, than say a dice game. Some people enjoy...

Ah, here's the true thread. Anyways, I think Fake Out (Normal Gem) Unburden Trickery kitty deserves special mention. Counter Cat: Nature: Jolly Ability: Unburden Item: Normal Gem EVs: HP and Speed Moves: Fake Out Trickery Swagger/Thunderwave Filler: Encore? Not really a core centerpiece to...

Well, the thing that sparked my interest in this topic was playing around with my save states in a Pokemon Rom. I noticed that with each attack, the outcome had already been decided. I figured that any outstanding computer whiz could take two and two together, piece an RNG tracker together...

So if RNG Reporters required a payment to download, they'd become illegal in your book?

@Galladiator: Well, this discourse can be applied to more than just video games. As it's at it's heart, a look at how we view competition. When taken into the real world, this could be a debate on Steroid use in competitive sports for example.

Well, the argument of "Anyone can do it" falls in the face of ethical recourse. Since anyone can buy an AR which is certainly cheating. I'm just wondering at what point does RNG (Random Number Generation) manipulation, become cheating? One poster in the last thread made an excellent analogy...

That's good to hear Athenodoros. I've casual friends that I play with who aren't as in depth as I am. So I'd rather not bring in perfect natured/IV'd legendaries. However, a soft reset captured legendary, or hand bred normal poke, is still within acceptable limits for me. As I do make a...

In a competitive environment, I do think it's fair. RNG Manipulation is another level of depth you only find out about once you've delved deep enough into competitive battling. However, would you really consider it fair to battle your friends with these pokes if they're more of the casual...

@Venser: So to make an analogy. If I were to give a math test to my students. Without any restrictions on using a calculator. Those without the calculator would have to make do on their studying and brains, while those with the calculator could use it for the harder questions. In other...

Ah, so you're saying NC, that if it weren't banned. Then it would just be part of the environment in which everyone would use. I will admit, it would add an entirely new twist on the game if we had a prediction result on moves. For instance: Imagine your moveset looking like: Stone Edge...

Good Points NC. However, from reading Warstories I've learned that many top competitors use a damage prediction program. While this isn't as haxxy as say, knowing whether or not an attack will hit or miss, it does start to push the limits of using an outside program in a competitive...

Well, someone in the last thread mentioned a device two guys used at a casino in order to predict video poker. If I had such a device that, at the press of a button, would give me an accuracy prediction say, 3 seconds after I pressed it, it would prove invaluable.

Okay, so I've read the last thread on this subject and it got me thinking... To all those who believe that RNG Abuse is not cheating, what if I figured out RNG for battling? IE: Exploiting it to make my attacks crit, ice beams that will freeze my targets, etc. Or if it weren't possible, using...

7/10 times OHKO isn't a curbstomp.

In Latios versus Snowflake, it's a pretty even comparison. A Life Orb flake can OHKO a Latios. A neutral speed nature Latios will not outspeed a beneficial speed nature Flake. Then there's taking blizzard, blah blah blah. Trying to match a legendary pound for pound is a useless excercise...

He makes an excellent Dragon check in my book. 105 speed beats out all the non-ubers dragons except Latios, but Latios doesn't carry anything supereffective against Ice barring a Hidden Power.

I think Reflect can be slotted as a replacement for Taunt on a lead Kojondo. Combined with regeneration, he can shrug off an attack that may have been directed at him or keep jumping back in later despite hazards to set up more Physical Screens. I guess it would depend on if you want him to...

I've been looking at Reflect for the last slot on a Lead Kojondo. With his speed and regeneration, he could first turn fake out, second turn Reflect, and third turn U-Turn out to regenerate some of the damage he taken on the Reflect round. It seems like a nice compromise between a baton...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mountain Storm's Auto-Crit also allow Nageki to bypass Attack decreases? With the amount of new pokes running Intimidate, it can certainly be an interesting attack, especially on a phaser who may end up repeatedly intimidated. Guts is also a great ability...