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It still works for calculating against stall teams. It did a certain amount of damage no matter what, even if the damage was recovered later.

I played: Shaymin-s @ Leftovers Ability: Serene Grace EVs: 240 Spe/252 SAtk/16 SDef Timid Nature - Seed Flare - Leech Seed - Substitute - Air Slash In my perfectly honest opinion, and granted I've only played about 20 matches with it, Skymin needs to be banned. It's true that it can't switch in...

67.5%, actually. :P Anyways, is Skymin 100% sure to be allowed on Shoddy?

I understand what you're saying, I'm saying that I personally am not of the same opinion. I see no harm coming from this, only possible help. Even if it doesn't help, I don't see how it hurts anything. And people don't really want to wait a long time for UU to be fixed in order to play NU, how...

That's bullshit. Smogon rejected their tournament, I assume on the grounds that they didn't think it relevant, or that because the format is undefined. So now, on a thread about defining NU, they're linking to a tournament that they believe to be helpful in developing the format. Smogon as a...

A test tournament like this couldn't hurt though, right? I mean, even if the list isn't anywhere close to correct, its just more testing results that can be looked at. I understand that this won't be looked at as something important, but it could at least be considered as something that isn't...

When does the Garchomp ban go into effect?

So, when does the change take place? I'd like to start not seeing Chomp anymore. :P

I think I'd like the meta without it. Makes my LeadVile weaker, but still. :P So, think Salamence stock will rise should Chompy get the ax?

Of interest, awhile back when my friend was messing with DP code, he found a strange Electric/Fighting poke (no name found), so that could be one of our mystery shapes.

Isn't there something you could use to Trick on a Choice Band to do more damage? Edit: Ick, page differentials. Sorry. :P

You're going to play differently against Gardy than vs. gengar, obviously.

Insomnia seems best flavorwise, and is also a solid ability vs. Yanmega and Gengar, and possibly Darkrai in Ubers.

Insomnia and Shed Skin Thinking purely off of flavor purposes, it doesn't seem likely that a 'dead' poke is going to sleep. Actually, it doesn't seem like it'd get any status conditions, and if it did, it'd have endless ages of knowledge to rid itself of such problems.

I like the depth gone into here, and think its a solid option, but Dusknoir is going WoW it which hurts it greatly, so it doesn't really 'crush that'.

Well, we're talking about different Pokemon then. Using Jolly, and/or no Def. EV's on a SubSD set seems pretty silly, for that very reason.

If you switch in on Sub, you can't use Hypnosis, Gyro Ball won't break a sub in one hit, and an SD or 2 then allows it to easily overcome any threat Bronzong produces, particularly if you run Fire Fang, but it works fine with Dragon Claw. It would be interesting to have a period with Garchomp...

I'll be a sub I guess.

You guys say GG? You must be using hax. xD

Tyranitar just has better things to do on its turns than Taunt. Sometimes i see a T-Tar lead with it, to own Stealth Rock leads, but generally speaking, it should be setting up a DD, or hitting hard with SE/STAB moves. On the other side of the spectrum is Gyarados, who with Intimidate prolly...