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I agree with the jellicent in place on chancy. There is a great stall breaker set (I can't link on mobile device) that way, you'd have a spin blocker that can't be used as setup bait. With the fortress, toxic spikes might be preferred over regular. If soar, does it's job right, then y've waisted...

With conc beng his counter to jellicent, payback seems a lot more useful seeing as he has gengar for things like stalling gliscor. Great team, I agree about putting mamo in over lucario for that powerful ice stab.

I haven't actually come across any CMclis, however I recognize how they could be a big threat to my team. With sawsbuck being one of the few pokes to hit it hard, surely double edge for the extra power is worth it over return? With sunny day ninetales getting more then one mention, it's now...

I feel that rain is much less of an issue with kingdra about. There are loads of dragons on rain teams (Dnite/ specs mence) that are out speed thanks to the swift swim kingdra. It also helps bait in scizor and other ferros which would normally wall it, and kill with HP fire. It's a surprise...

I do see your points and I will try out your modifications. I should point out though, venusaur also acts as a pivot switch into fighting moves or whatever thanks to the poison resistances. It's the reason for carrying leftovers instead of life orb. Growth does give it the sweeping edge, however...

Ninetales @ Leftovers Trait: Drought EVs: 252 HP / 120 SAtk / 136 Spd Calm Nature IVs: 30 Def / 30 SAtk / 30 SDef / 30 Spd / 2 Atk - Flamethrower - Will-O-Wisp - Protect - Hidden Power [Fighting] Donphan @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Adamant Nature - Earthquake - Ice...

I didn't DC no.

Pizzaman12 Dcing Pizzaman 12 Dcing after a mantine sweep. Asked him for an NU battle, to which he accepted. I set up a rain dance with mantine and proceeded to sweep a lot of his pokemon. He stopped communicating, even if I asked what's up and if he's still there. Chat log: <magnusmistro>...

Painsama Bringing incorrect pokes He asked for a BW OR BW2 rotation battle. I said I'd like a BW rotation OU. he said ok. He then brings an unreleased pokemon for BW and I say that that's not ok, I wanted a BW battle. He says "Waiting please" and then leaves.

Reporting Muffin1man DCing whilst on his last poke. I asked him if I could upload the battle to Youtube, he said no. I said ok, that's fine. He DC'd.

Reporting xPiper for Disconnecting. FC-3911 9631 5793 BW mixed tier battle, I was 6-4 up. I was in the process of setting up with my poliwrath and had plus 5/6 by the time he DC'd. Here's the chat: <magnusmistro> you got the freeze <magnusmistro> you cant complain :p <xPiper> i have too many...

I see your point, but it doesn't pack the fire move, plus looking at it's abilities, it seems it really excels in sandstorm, which I don't really want to be using. The Outrage too isn't STAB Chomp doesn't carry the uturn to scout or, as you said, the ground resist. better?

Better? 1. Added descriptions. I have been trolling along the forums. I'm still not sure. I'm bad at adding pokes to this team that fit well with typings and what else. 2. With earthquake being so prevalent, especially with Heatran about, Levitate helps A TONNE. Plus, I just really don't...

Lead= This is my suicide anti lead. It's here to do one thing only, and that's damage. Although rapidspin and recover are normally preferred, but Starmie is here to break sashes and chew gum, but is all out of gum. Starmie, Life orb, Timid, Natural Cure 252 SPD / 252 sATT / 6 HP Icebeam (lead...

I wanted to use this, But I figured sucker punch is better then shadow sneak, as it hits EVERY pokemon, and i'm seeing milktank a lot as of now, so sucker-punch is better for the kill. I have used confuse ray too, but i feel the seismic toss is needed incase of revenging a poke.

Is jolly needed? I personally don't speed-boost because of the chance of the poke i switch in getting killed right off the block, before having the chance to attack.

The reason I didn't max the HP, is 1. pain split and 2. This way, you get the highest investment of both DEF AND sDEF.

I'll give a go at the sets that i've quoted. See what's what. I've used the ferroseed, but despite the boosted defences, ferroseed does lack a high HP stat, and the attack that power whip and gyro ball need to revenge pokes. I also have used some of the sets that are in bold. Still prefer...

I don't use it as a defensive poke, But with this set, you can switch it in without fear of dying, THEN either roost or SD. I find blissey is still better then chansey. I know that's an option, but I still think blissey with a higher sATT stat is more versatile.

Hey what's up, I was browsing around and didnt find any really in-depth threads on the evo-stone, so i thought i'd give my views on the best 2 pokes with the stone, (and no, chansey isn't one of them) So first up is dusclops, This thing is a monster. With the right ev spread, you can have...