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Exactly, I propose we ban Flinchinator as its presence is too oppressive and restrictive on the metagame. To replace this power void and destroy the OU Monarchy from within I shall propose myself as the new regent of the meta. Im willing to kill and die by the sword to proof my worth as the new...

Another huge W for the OU citizens against the oppresive OU Monarchy. Time to let the meta develop and adapt

People so in denial with powercreep we gonna start banning shit for the sake of banning and lowering the powercreep? If we continue on this path I fully expect a full wave of bans and unhappiness. Cheers

Jesus this thread is pretty much a continuos circle jerk

Also, mons like Pecharunt and Heatran become considerably stronger on Grassy Terrain. Seriously people, both offensive and defensive Pecharunt variants and quite nice.

Classic Pokemon experience: ''Twice, the opponent switched Kingambit hard into my Hoopa's attack. Twice, I predicted that and clicked Focus Blast. Twice, I missed.'' So exiting! So much fun!

The OU Oligarchy doesnt have quite the same ring to it, and anyways Monarchys is just a form or oligarchy so im going with it. DOWN WITH HER HEADS!!

The Yawn ban is so stupid Im sure the OU monarchy's head will end up rolling at this rate. Such a dumb decitions, did Torkoal really deserve that?

Win many games while barely losing any. We talking numbers around 38 wins and 6 loses aprox. but this changes, lower wins need way less loses and higher wins can afford higher number of defeats

Why use H-Avalugg over normal Avalugg at that point? Seems classic avalugg is bulkier (10 more base sp def, not like it matters much), and both require you to tera them 99% of the time. Also isnt Body Press a better move option? I usually run this set: Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Ice...

You likely facing bad players. Blaziken isnt that hard to deal with and while viable, any good player should be able to stop it on its tracks fairly quickly.

People so thirsty for drama they now making up issues or bringing old issues that are no longer existant into the discussion. We need to find some other distraction, people getting mad over here, so... HEAR ME OUT, WHAT IF... WE OVERTHROW THE OU MONARCHY ONCE AND FOR ALL AND RESTORE A...

Hex pecharunt eats gliscor for dinner though, for Gambit you can always Tera fighting or just parting shot away, the gambit match is indeed kinda annoying though

It really depends... Stellar, Ground, Fire, Fighting... Any of those seems like a good option depending on match up you might prefer some. Tera Stellar is the best one in coverage and utility BUT loses the defensive benefits and extra oomph some of the other Teras situationally have.

Iron Boulder? Easily switch ins, outspeeds even +1 Volcarona and even survives Tera Blast Ground (90%, 40% chance to OHKO with rocks) and giga drain (50% 2HKO) and can Mighty Kleave to ohko/+ Tera if volcarona is going to tera to deal with it. Also... Most Volcaronas cant do much against...

Imo its quite fun. Lots of different viable strategies and mons are playable. Its true HO and balance seem to benefit from this meta but isnt this good? It likely needs some tweeks but its A LOT healthier and more diverse than before DLC2 HO and Balance means shorter games, which often means...

Start removing stuff and it wont be long until the meta becomes unbalanced again and the ban waves start

No problem mate! Just think you are overstimating my advances! The metagame isnt broken, its actually the healthier its ever been and thats why we have resorted to this whole ''Sleep'' discussion circus, because there isnt anything obviously broken. For the ocasional Tera Dark Knock Off Valiant...

For those that are really struggling with the main 2 sleepers somehow... Best Hyno Valiant answer: 252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hatterene: 103-123 (32.3 - 38.6%) -- 4.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery If it uses hypnosis he fucked. Another great Valiant answer...