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Nice thread. What does everyone think about Kinesis? I've always been a fan, should I drop it?

Substitute Alakazam is a boss. I'd recommend using it.

I would love to hear more about how you think 80% would be viable, feel free to pm if you'd like. I feel like I'm missing something on the Cloyster Rest discussion. Doesn't Cloyster effectively "wall" anything slower than it with Clamp trap. What's the use of Rest exactly?

This is strictly from memory but I believe it was a team of 6 Chansey that won the first ever world tournament in 1998 in Japan. Each Chansey was basically a different type special users with a Counter Chansey on the physicals. After this tournament the 1 species rule was implemented. As well...

Cloyster and Dragonite moved up.

Double-Kick is probably better than Body Slam for Jolteon...

...Lapras does not learn Thunder Wave...

Hey guys thanks for the responses. Substitute Tauros is something I had already thought of (and use as a surprise starter, works well) Double-Edge Snorlax I seemed to have over looked. But without having recoil damage when fainting an opponent DE seems like a great option. Snorlax just has so...

I got a question. If playing on stadium are Tauros and Snorlax still as good? With HyperBeam recharging every turn I find them much harder to use.

^agree. Though Slowbro can Twave Gengar which hurts its usefulness. Gengar also counters Lapras and Persian very well. I think Lapras is highly underrated as well.