♣ TeaM SwitcH™ ♣ [OU] ♣

berlinwall121

It's been over 2 years since I last played pokemon so I figured I had some catching up to do, so for the past week I have been reading up, skimming the forums, and battling on shoddy. I started working on this team Saturday and wanted some second opinions on it. So tell meh what you think.....

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TeaM SwitcH™ at a glance:
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Tyranitar.png

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The main strategy with this team is switching in, I was just thinking about different ways that I could make switching in to an attack the most effective and figured, why switch into an attack thats going to do damage to your pokemon when you can switch in on an attack that does either nothing or benifits the pokemon that is switching in.
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TeaM SwitcH™:

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Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Impish
EVs: 240 HP/ 216 Def/ 52 SpAtk
Moveset:
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam/Surf
- Roar
Description: People might expect the standard MixPert moveset but it has a slight variation with the addition of Roar to the moveset. Roar + Stealth Rock with the aid of a defensive pokemon are great since you can scout trough your opponent's team while dealing some damage in the way. You can choose between Lum Berry and Leftovers if you would rather heal some HP or heal Status.

As far as the offensive moves go, Ice Beam + Eartquake hits everything for atleast neutral damage. Surf, on the other hand has STAB to back it up giving it more power in some cases. If you happen to activate Torrent Surf can become a lethal attack to some foes.

Else than that, just change Vaporeon's Ice Beam for Hidden Powe [Electric] so it can become a perfect Gyarados counter.
Summary:
I like my leads to be able to throw down stealth rocks and stop its opponent from duing the same. I can OHKO gengar, roserade, and infernape with psychic and OHKOes non bulky Gyarados with Explosion. The only thing im thinking about changing is fire blast for taunt, it allows me to deal with a few more common leads like bronzong and ninjask.

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Easy Bake the Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Naive
Ev's: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Fire Blast
Earth Power
Explosion
Dragon Pulse

Summary:
Heatran is my revenge killer, he takes down Scizor, Salamence, Lucario, and many other strong offensive threats. Dragon Pulse is for any dragon who thinks they can switch in on me and explosion goes boom when easy bake gets tired. I went with naive so that I can kill Adamant Gyarados even after a Dragon Dance, Adamant Heracross even with a Choice Scarf, and all the base 130 Speed Pokemon.

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Haze the Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Water Absorb
Bold
Ev's: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spe
Wish
Protect
Surf
HP Electric

Summary:
Protect is a must for keeping Vaporeon healthy to keep passing Wishes, Surf is for STAB and keeps Metagross, Skarmory, Infernape, and Heatran at bay. Toxic works with Protect and Wish will stall out fellow bulky Water types and many other Pokemon.

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T-Man the Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Careful
Sand Stream
252 HP / 42 Atk / 216 SpD
Crunch
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Pursuit
Summary:
Takes care of alot of my problems, gives gliscor loads of advantages too. Helps out against Latias and can absorb electric attacks.

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Tink the Celebi @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Bold
Ev's: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Thunder Wave
Grass Knot
Recover
Hidden Power Fire

Summary:
With this set I can easly switch in and cripple an opponent or cause a switch, grass knot is for stab, and with 100 base hp recover gives back loads of hp, hp fire is to deal with steel types. Im thinking about switching leech seed out for light screen due to the fact that I'm lacking sp def on my team

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Viper the Gliscor @ Yache Berry
Sand Veil
Impish
Ev's: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Spe
Swords Dance
Roost
Earthquake
Stone Edge

Summary:
Being able to switch in on any ground attack gives Gliscor the advantage of swords dance and being able to sweep, and with its ability to use roost it can be a very good physical sweeper.

Team Summary: Most of the pokemon on my team back each other up, this team requires beging able to predict what attack your oppionent is going to use, most of the time I can switch into a move and set up with little to no damage taken at all. Vaporeon takes water attacks for heatran, heatran takes fire attacks for celebi and grass attacks for vaporeon, electrivire absorbs electric attacks for vaporeon and gliscor takes ground attacks for heatran and electrivire. I do feel how ever that my team has a weakness to kingdra as well as cresselia. Also if a strong sp sweeper is able to set up on my team then tend to do alot of damage, so I could use some help there. All of the pokemon in this team can be removed or changed, I'm not in love with anything on this yet so all suggestions are welcome.

So Suggest Away
 
I just took a quick glance at pokes and items...actually maybe 2 whole seconds but gliscor needs leftovers not yache.

and electivire is BAD, use scizor or lucario. e-vire is outclassed in every way. Thunderpunch is his stab attack...yea that's the pathetic part. 75 base power, 90 after STAB, right? Yea, close combat is 150, scizor have cb+technician+stab bullet punch is god knows what, easily in the 100s I think.
 
Hello berlinwall,

First of all, I'd like it to be known here and now that Taunt is overrated on Azelf, or at least on this team. Without Fire Blast, you can't do any damage at all to Steel-types that have become scarily omnipresent as leads an in general in the metagame; the other reason is one specific to your team. None of the Pokemon on your team are weak to Stealth Rock, so you don't really have anything to worry about in terms of weaknesses. About the general structure of your team, I see no glaring weaknesses besides the fact that your team has a small problem taking some general hits from Latias, and has no real way of stopping Latias in general! Electivire is the most expendable of team members, and as is, doesn't seem to do much but switch into Electric attacks. We, luckily, can keep this bulk, but harness the power that is Tyranitar!

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Careful - Sand Stream
252 HP / 42 Atk / 216 SpD
Crunch
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Pursuit

With this Tyranitar, any problem you had with Latias, other bulky Psychics, Jolteon and other fast Electric-types is gone! Anyway, as previously mentioned, Tyranitar is a perfect fit over Electivire to absorb similar attacks and also strike back with much more power. Tyranitar will also give you a fighting shot versus some Stall teams when played right. I'd personally like to know exactly how helpful Toxic has been on your Vaporeon, as in my personal opinion, Ice Beam or Roar are a must to be able to take on the Flying-type Dragons of this gen. It is mostly personal preference, though. Thunder Wave should go over Leech Seed on Celebi, as without it, your team is insecure about Kingdra, plus it helps versus Gyarados (all of the ones I face have Ice Fang) and other random switch ins. Recover already gives sufficient recovery anyway.

Thanks for letting me make suggestions for your team - I hope all goes well.

edit; Sand Veil would be the appropriate ability if you chose Tyranitar
 
diinbong said:
Hello berlinwall,

First of all, I'd like it to be known here and now that Taunt is overrated on Azelf, or at least on this team. Without Fire Blast, you can't do any damage at all to Steel-types that have become scarily omnipresent as leads an in general in the metagame; the other reason is one specific to your team. None of the Pokemon on your team are weak to Stealth Rock, so you don't really have anything to worry about in terms of weaknesses. About the general structure of your team, I see no glaring weaknesses besides the fact that your team has a small problem taking some general hits from Latias, and has no real way of stopping Latias in general! Electivire is the most expendable of team members, and as is, doesn't seem to do much but switch into Electric attacks. We, luckily, can keep this bulk, but harness the power that is Tyranitar!

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Careful - Sand Stream
252 HP / 42 Atk / 216 SpD
Crunch
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Pursuit

With this Tyranitar, any problem you had with Latias, other bulky Psychics, Jolteon and other fast Electric-types is gone! Anyway, as previously mentioned, Tyranitar is a perfect fit over Electivire to absorb similar attacks and also strike back with much more power. Tyranitar will also give you a fighting shot versus some Stall teams when played right. I'd personally like to know exactly how helpful Toxic has been on your Vaporeon, as in my personal opinion, Ice Beam or Roar are a must to be able to take on the Flying-type Dragons of this gen. It is mostly personal preference, though. Thunder Wave should go over Leech Seed on Celebi, as without it, your team is insecure about Kingdra, plus it helps versus Gyarados (all of the ones I face have Ice Fang) and other random switch ins. Recover already gives sufficient recovery anyway.

Thanks for letting me make suggestions for your team - I hope all goes well.
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Thanks for the advise, most of the suggestions that you made have crossed my mind, I think I just need to convince myself to make the changes, and you've done that...thanks prob guna change everything that you suggested

Should I switch Gliscor's ability to sand veil?
 
berlinwall121 said:
Should I switch Gliscor's ability to sand veil?
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Yea it would be a good idea to give gliscor sand veil. Also with the rise in metagross leads azelf has lost his usefulness, I think ur heatran would do a better job as a lead. If u use heatran as your lead use hp grass over dragon pulse.
 
Scarf Heatran is a bad lead. If you run a Heatran lead you should run a Lead Heatran set - include things like Will-o-Wisp and Stealth Rock, possibly run a bulkier set, or instead run a Shucca berry to live a ground attack.

I'd also suggest switching Celebi out for a Rotom-A. This will give you an immunity to Fighting and Ground rather than just the resistance that Celebi has, and a Normal Immunity to boot. Since your team seems a little DDGyara weak currently, I'd suggest Choice Scarf Rotom-H with Overheat, Thunderbolt/Discharge, Trick, and Shadow Ball/HP of Choice. 252 Speed and SpA, Timid. Alternately you can run a bulkier set designed to support with Screens, Will-o-Wisp, Thunderwave, and/or ResTalk.

Also I'd suggest something better over Azelf, he's really not that good in the current Metagame, as he'll lose to most common leads.
 
I would go with Taunt on Azelf, im doing the same. It really helps Vs. SR for exmaple, means ur enemy can not place them, but u can.

Mostly im using Taunt -> SR -> B00M, For Steeltypes u got other PKMN in that Team, the only thing that azelf also needs is Psychic
 
matzemix said:
I would go with Taunt on Azelf, im doing the same. It really helps Vs. SR for exmaple, means ur enemy can not place them, but u can.

Mostly im using Taunt -> SR -> B00M, For Steeltypes u got other PKMN in that Team, the only thing that azelf also needs is Psychic
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On this team i really dont need a taunt lead, becuase no one on my team has a sr weakness
 
wildfire393 said:
Scarf Heatran is a bad lead. If you run a Heatran lead you should run a Lead Heatran set - include things like Will-o-Wisp and Stealth Rock, possibly run a bulkier set, or instead run a Shucca berry to live a ground attack.

I'd also suggest switching Celebi out for a Rotom-A. This will give you an immunity to Fighting and Ground rather than just the resistance that Celebi has, and a Normal Immunity to boot. Since your team seems a little DDGyara weak currently, I'd suggest Choice Scarf Rotom-H with Overheat, Thunderbolt/Discharge, Trick, and Shadow Ball/HP of Choice. 252 Speed and SpA, Timid. Alternately you can run a bulkier set designed to support with Screens, Will-o-Wisp, Thunderwave, and/or ResTalk.

Also I'd suggest something better over Azelf, he's really not that good in the current Metagame, as he'll lose to most common leads.
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How is scarftran bad, it outspeeds and ohkos metagross, swampert, and leadtran and can be used late game as a revenge killer!
 
Well, ever since I read the title: Team Switch I expectd to see Entry Hazard abusement and a load of Roaring pokemon, and I didnt not see that, however that can be solved.

I want to suggest a lead which will solve some problems your team might find in the journey:

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Swampert @ Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Impish
EVs: 240 HP/ 216 Def/ 52 SpAtk
Moveset:
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam/Surf
- Roar
Description: People might expect the standard MixPert moveset but it has a slight variation with the addition of Roar to the moveset. Roar + Stealth Rock with the aid of a defensive pokemon are great since you can scout trough your opponent's team while dealing some damage in the way. You can choose between Lum Berry and Leftovers if you would rather heal some HP or heal Status.

As far as the offensive moves go, Ice Beam + Eartquake hits everything for atleast neutral damage. Surf, on the other hand has STAB to back it up giving it more power in some cases. If you happen to activate Torrent Surf can become a lethal attack to some foes.

Else than that, just change Vaporeon's Ice Beam for Hidden Powe [Electric] so it can become a perfect Gyarados counter.
 
I switched my starter to swampert, but I have massive vaporeon weakness, actually after celebi is gone any water type pretty much walks all over me
 
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