?/10.....RMT

mutant_ally

Hello, first post first RMT! (lol ive seen quite a few people get flamed for that) anyway...

First things first i am a team building novice, but ive tried to bring pokemon together i like with as much strategy i can muster. For almost all my pokemon there is usually another that outclasses it greatly... usually being a standard which im slightly opposed to using...(not more than 2 anyway...). + i suck at EV's so they will be pretty random

I tried to make my team flow as much as possible with each poke having moves that work well with other moves it has as well as the team in general.

---Sauron---(lol)
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Claydol @Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
Impish (+def -SpA)-(kills Ice Beam a bit)
EVs: 136HP/252Att/60 def/60spD
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake/Ice Beam
-Explosion

The closest thing i have to a lead (due to SR) which is quite sad...spinner aswell.

---Sunspot---
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Umbreon @Leftovers?
Trait: Synchronize
Impish (+def -SpA)
EVs: 252HP/128 Def/128 SpcD
-Screech
-Pursuit
-Moonlight
-Last Resort

Screech and Pursuit work together to do as much damage as Umbreon is capable of...coupled with SR should do some damage on switches. Moonlight make him last, last resort to get a 130bp move off before i die or switch since i will almost def be using the other 3 moves every time he is out. Oh, hes so slow that he should be able to take make Trick Rooms harder to capitalise on for other teams...one would hope.

---Emperor---
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Luxray @Life Orb?
Trait: Intimidate for gyar - can work nicely with capitivate, Belligerence (rivalry sucks) for all gender coverage(which i like over intim even though his def needs int badly)
Serious (+-) because he needs everything?
EVs: 252 speed/???
-Thunder Fang
-Crunch
-Attract/Captivate
-Thunderbolt

Luxray is love. He is cooler than Electivire. lol...can cause some problems with Intimidate/Captivate, Bell/Attract, Bell/Captivate forcing a switch or 2? (+ SR = damage). Thunder Fang for STAB physical attack (low BP but off 120+ attack it should be ok...), Crunch cause he has no other good phys options, Thunderbolt for gyara intimidate and to get through skarm defences easier. 95 spcA is nothing to scoff at.

---Avatar---
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Gallade @...lum berry/Leftovers/metronome/scope lens/shell bell? ???
Trait: Steadfast
Impish/Careful/Jolly? or alternatively i can just go Adamant
EVs: 252 speed/192 def/60 spcD/4 Att
-Focus Punch (prediction + Flinch speed boost:) )
-Psycho Cut
-Swords Dance
-Stone Edge/Night Slash/Leaf Blade

A very very cool pokemon. If the 'self' flinch works then the speed + almost all High Critical Hit chance attacks coming off his awesome 125 base attack should deal some crazy damage...esp if he gets a SD in there.

---Gesser---
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Leafeon @Focus Sash...with 130 base def idk if this would work or be needed but it would help if i switched into a hera megahorn etc
Trait: Leaf Guard
Jolly (+speed -spcA)
EVs: 252 speed/192hp/28 def/ 36 att
-Leaf Blade
-Aerial Ace
-Swords Dance
-Wish

...*sigh* THIS is my answer to Heracross lol, can you believe it?...oh and its what ill be using as a physical wall lol. *SIGH*

---Marvel Girl---
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Milotic @Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
Bold (+Def -Att)
EVs: 252hp/192 def/40 spcD/24 spcA
-Surf
-Icebeam
-Recover
-Haze/Psych up (prob haze)

I expect too much of Milotic but hey, she's mad and deserves to be taken advantage of no? Great special D, pretty good special A, can absorb status to become a pretty great phys wall...yeah milotic is probably the backbone of my team...

Threat List
---ok before the threats come out...i allocated counters as best i could...someof them are Type 1 counters, others are Type 2....and other still are Type 3....(see weavile)...i sense the slaughter that i walk into but hey i have come this far!

Tyranitar - Gallade, Claydol
Gyarados- Luxray (*SIGH* might need focus sash to even survive as a type 2 counter)
Infernape - Milotic for almost all variations i think
Azelf - Umbreon
Rhyperior - Milotic (not Leafeon because of obvious physical attacking ...Def+hard rock = happy rhyperior , but spc ice beam from milotic should do more....)
Electivire- Gallade (cant be SE hit by standard set, w00t)
Heracross- Leafeon(again *SIGH* for slaughter thats coming) + Umbreon....(joke anyone?)
Salamence- Milotic
Togekiss- Gallade if it can survive an airslash, Luxray
Gengar- Umbreon
Garchomp- Milotic, Claydol w IB
Raikou-.........um...claydol?
Lucario- Gallade
Rampardos- Leafeon, Milotic
Tauros-non pursuit...(lol)..Claydol, Gallade
Starmie- Luxray, Umbreon
Weavile- ahhh even more problems! lol ....a flinched Gallade...+ not so many speed evs on weaviles part *SIGH*
Dugtrio- Leafeon, Milotic, Gallade
Alakazam- Luxray, Gallade, Umbreon (focus bomb problems)
PorygonZ- Gallade, Luxray, Claydol
Medicham - Leafeon...
Staraptor - Luxray
Slowbro - Luxray, Umbreon
Jolteon- Luxray(c only obv), Claydol, Leafeon
Aerodactyl- Luxray...
Snorlax- Gallade, Claydol
Zapdos- no idea..........luxray...IB claydol
Blissey- Shadow ball sucks but still Gallade, Luxray...
Suicune- Luxray, Leafeon + maybe Gallade
Sceptile- ....Leafeon, Gallade
Slaking- Gallade, Umbreon, Claydol
Ninjask- Stealth Rock, Milotic, Luxray
Metagross- get owned.....umbreon? Luxray? Leafeon? *COUGH*
Celebi- Gallade, Leafeon, Umbreon, Luxray
Jirachi- ...see metagross, milotic?
Manaphy- Luxray, leafeon

OKKK VERY OPTIMISTIC THREAT LIST...most of the ones listed are just there to no have so many empty spaces....does the fact that i have problems with the most popular physical sweepers with no greatttt physical wall make my team dumb as hell? is it fixable? would it survive standard play?

...i know leftovers abuse dies to item clause...suggestions appreciated, EVs are random cause i dont know what to allocate because i dont get the specifics and multiplication of ivs, evs, base stats, base powers etc etc etc

Thankyou to anyone who reads this, i look forward to getting shot down and stomped on...(jks) if you reply can you PLEASE even if you are just criticising it give it a rating(as in out of 10)....o and if it gets locked for some reason that ive missed can the person who locks it just give me a figure (0/10 would do) before it gets locked? ty, hope formatting is ok

Thankyou, have fun...
 
11/10 for using Luxray. =)
But seriously, I thought of a similar set for him a while ago and it seemed really cool to me. I would use Spark over fang though. 100% accurate, 30% Para, and Luxray is kinda slow for flinch to mean anything. Overall I'd go:

Luxray@Leftovers
Belligerence/Rivalry (agree on Bell. being better)
(Adamant)
-Spark
-Ice Fang
-Attract
-Crunch/Sub/Return
 
While Luxray is an alright Electric-type, I think that it is far too slow to really be useful. AND you are trying to split between Atk and Sp Atk with one stat that's good and one that isn't (his base attack > his base sp atk). I personally think that Electivire would be more useful, especially since he gets better type coverage and he can do more. (he has better attack and sp atk power than luxray as well).

Umbreon is also not doing anything for your team right now, so either reconsider its moveset or remove it completely.

btw only thing you have that can even hurt Metagross is Claydol. However, Electivire can also hit it. You have nothing that can take its attacks well besides Claydol, and even then, it could still be dented and it would not be able to recover from that because of your set.

You Gallade EVs don't benefit it at all, considering that it has such great attack and relatively low speed. Sacrifice some of those Speed and Defense EVs for Attack. Consider how much speed it needs so that it can outspeed a lot of Pokemon with one boost from its trait.

Also, you have nothing that can switch into Rhyperior easily. Consider how you will beat that. Same with Gyarados, Heracross, Tyranitar, and Garchomp and many other common sweepers. (Hint: Leafeon does not counter Heracross)
 
I'd drop Explosion on Claydol and go with Earth Power and Ice Beam (alongside Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin). This is of course assuming you keep him. If you keep the rest of the team as it is (or use similar replacements) you can get by without a spinner as most of your team aren't affected too badly by Stealth Rock. Donphan, Swampert, Rhyperior and Hippowdon are all good replacements for him.

Umbreon isn't really helping your team a great deal. If you decide to keep him, use Wish so he can benefit your team more.

Luxray is one of my favourite new Pokemon but like Judgement said, he's inferior to Electivire in every way.

I don't know if a Focus Punch flinch will activate Gallade's trait. If does then well done on finding out something that could actually be really useful for him.
If you're making him a sweeper, then Focus Punch/Swords Dance/Psycho Cut/In Fight would offer good coverage. Make him Jolly with at least 270 Speed (for Adamant Heracross). If the Focus Punch/Steadfast trick doesn't work, replace Focus Punch with Leaf Blade, Shadow Strike or Stone Edge. Leftovers or Life Orb are good item choices for him.

Swords Dance/Wish/Leaf Blade/Baton Pass should work on Leafeon. Get something else to handle Heracross, it's way too risky to use Leafeon.

Hypnosis in Milotic's last moveslot works well. Give her a minimum of 266 Special Attack with the rest in HP, then Defense.

I'd drop Claydol for Rhyperior (who can benefit from a Swords Dance pass from Leafeon) and Umbreon for something to handle Heracross. Gliscor, Weezing and Gyarados are all good choices.
 
Vire's attacking stats aren't exactly "better"... 123 and 95 vs 120 and 95. Where I'm from, that's roughly the same. For what it's worth, Luxray has better defenses at 80/79/79 vs Vire's 75/67/85. There's no question, though, that Vire has a better movepool. About fourteen times better, which is why he's on 4/5 teams nowadays (That and Motor Drive). Luxray though is still usable and i think the above set, with attract hax and mini-physical-boltbeam, will work really well after a few Beligerence boosts. Watch for metagross though. maybe Fire Fang should actually be considered as the other move, it would help with stuff like Magnezone. Triple 65 power is so, so lame though =(
 
but 95 speed > 70 speed and that makes a huge difference, and that could mean whether or not a sweep can be set up.
 
Luxray's movepool is mostly what makes it inferior to Electivire. Also, Motor Drive is arguably a better trait for sweeping than Rivalry, but if you compare Cross Chop/Earthquake/Ice Punch/Thunderbolt to Ice Fang/Crunch/Thunderbolt/Fire Fang or Quick Attack it's pretty clear who comes off better.

The fact that GameFreak made both Luxray and Electivire is almost enough to convince me they actually understand the tier system.
 
And then Garchomp and Blissey are almost enough to show they don't. Just one thing_- on your Gallade, you say Focus Punch for flich+speed boost. When you get hit while using Focus Punch, it isn't counted as a Flinch, so no spped boost. Focus Punch isn't really doing much on gallade anyway, not many people are going to switch away, as Gallade is completely inferior to Medicham, it's older brother. In fact, why not swap your Gallade for medicham?
 
hmm, so Luxray is pretty much doomed to be UU unless he contsantly gets passed speed?...and a better movepool?

i think i was forcing his use cause he is so damn cool...
i like ekans moveset, but that still wouldnt save him without speed passed would it? umm... should he be 'upgraded' electivire to better cover more ground or to Magnezone for spc att, or just to freaking jolteon (ah jolteon) for speed?

is umbreon only good for mean/wishpassing? would he work as a complete non attacker? meanlook/screech/wish/batonpass?

would replacing Claydol for Hippowdon as Phuquoph suggested be counterproductive due to sandstream? is Gliscor the only viable hera counter these days or he just the best? would sand veil over hyper cutter cut his purpose down to just countering heracross and leaving him open to intimidate? putting gliscor over umbreon would cover the main weakness to physical sweepers i have right?

Ugh so my team would end up as Hippowdon, Electivire, Gliscor, Gallade, Milotic and Leafeon.....seems awfully standard, darn. maybe i could centralise the team around leafeon ( or a leafeon swap...)...i think i have an obsession with having a weaker poke/team and trying to beat the odds.

Thanks for advice everyone...Phuq i will take your changes to gallade aswell....cant wait to see if focus flinch actually activated steadfast....btw is steadfast 1.5x speed? ( like elects elect engine?) does it multiply further if it keeps getting flinched?...could it survive a togekiss airslash? lol so many questions when we all thought it was over...

maybe in Gen V Luxray will get a decent movepool.....(lol)

ty again
 
Gallade and Medicham have the same typing, but that's not enough to compare them. Medicham is incredibly frail and predictable, whereas Gallade has excellent Special Defense, Swords Dance and a great support movepool.

372 Special Attack Togekiss using Air Slash vs. 0 HP/SDef Gallade is 83 - 97%.
 
Ah Deucalion2 thankyou, so def no speed boost from focus flinch? that sucks but atleast i can change his set up now... should Leaf blade be put instead of focus punch or Night slash if i keep leafeon?

oh, Medicham is awesome aswell, but Gallade's got appeal lol. its the luxray/electivire complex but without the glaring imbalance...Swords Dance + support + Spc D for some attack....who needs that much attack? look at Rampardos lol. Ok tangent much but anyway... Marowak @thickclub beats out medicham (imo) and Gallade beats out marowak because hes green (no matter what colour category he's in lol)
 
97% max ...geez, too risky....imagine switching in and not getting the flinch... psycho cut/close combat/night slash/destiny bond would be fun to run as specifically airslash switch in but that is novelty + risk lol.
 
Shadow Sneak is a decent option on a Swords Dancing Gallade. Aside from stopping EndRev Lucario sweeping you, it can OHKO Gengar (after a Swords Dance) if it comes in after you kill something and tries to take you down with Shadow Ball.

I'm tempted to use Gallade now I know he survives an Air Slash.

If SandStream on Hippowdon bothers you too much, go with Donphan or Swampert.
 
Phuquoph said:
Shadow Sneak is a decent option on a Swords Dancing Gallade. Aside from stopping EndRev Lucario sweeping you, it can OHKO Gengar (after a Swords Dance) if it comes in after you kill something and tries to take you down with Shadow Ball.

I'm tempted to use Gallade now I know he survives an Air Slash.

If SandStream on Hippowdon bothers you too much, go with Donphan or Swampert.
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I personally would not suggest Donphan since, while he is strong, he is very predictable and very limited in use since its hard to switch it in as well.
 
Knock Off and Ice Shard are fantastic moves that set it apart from Swampert, really, and then there's Rapid Spin, which Swampert would probably trade a few of its stat points for in a heartbeat.

The only things Swampert definitiviely has over Donphan are better typing (the best in the game, arguably, even better now in DP with its resistance to Stealth Rock) the better SpD (augmented by its typing) and Curse, which Swampert can't really fit on its moveset in DP for the same reason Donphan would be an attractive option over it — we're expected to be in a very hard hitting metagame that favors initial defense first, which is where Donphan's 120 Base Def can shine.
 
Tyranitar - Gallade, Claydol. Both dies to a DDed/CBed Crunch
Gyarados- Luxray (*SIGH* might need focus sash to even survive as a type 2 counter)....no
Infernape - Milotic for almost all variations i think. Grass Snot and Close Combat can be problematic
Azelf - Umbreon hopefully
Rhyperior - Milotic (not Leafeon because of obvious physical attacking ...Def+hard rock = happy rhyperior , but spc ice beam from milotic should do more....)
Electivire- Gallade (cant be SE hit by standard set, w00t). Not really
Heracross- Leafeon(again *SIGH* for slaughter thats coming) + Umbreon....(joke anyone?) Good luck
Salamence- Milotic Dies to Draco Meteor
Togekiss- Gallade if it can survive an airslash, Luxray. Not really
Gengar- Umbreon K
Garchomp- Milotic, Claydol w IB. K I suppose
Raikou-.........um...claydol? Shadow Ball or Hidden Power will mess it up
Lucario- Gallade. Not really
Rampardos- Leafeon, Milotic Maybe
Tauros-non pursuit...(lol)..Claydol, Gallade. Good luck switching into CBReturns
Starmie- Luxray, Umbreon. K, I suppose
Weavile- ahhh even more problems! lol ....a flinched Gallade...+ not so many speed evs on weaviles part *SIGH* .....
Dugtrio- Leafeon, Milotic, Gallade. K
Alakazam- Luxray, Gallade, Umbreon (focus bomb problems) K
PorygonZ- Gallade, Luxray, Claydol NO
Medicham - Leafeon... NO
Staraptor - Luxray Not really
Slowbro - Luxray, Umbreon K
Jolteon- Luxray(c only obv), Claydol, Leafeon K
Aerodactyl- Luxray... NO!
Snorlax- Gallade, Claydol Maybe
Zapdos- no idea..........luxray...IB claydol K
Blissey- Shadow ball sucks but still Gallade, Luxray... K
Suicune- Luxray, Leafeon + maybe Gallade K
Sceptile- ....Leafeon, Gallade K
Slaking- Gallade, Umbreon, Claydol No
Ninjask- Stealth Rock, Milotic, Luxray K
Metagross- get owned.....umbreon? Luxray? Leafeon? *COUGH* Milotic
Celebi- Gallade, Leafeon, Umbreon, Luxray K
Jirachi- ...see metagross, milotic? No
Manaphy- Luxray, leafeon No. They just die to a Tail Glowed Surf
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Jumpman, Donphan is pretty cool i guess. Should he only be run with leftovers? or something to boost iceshard for easier kills?, is hippowdon better than him?(if MY team can get over sandstream?)

and yes Jibaku OPTIMISTIC threatlist lol, im looking to changes so i can survive standard OU.
 
I thought it would be better to run Thunderbolt on Luxray regardless because it ends up doing more damage than Thunder Fang or Spark. I forget though who it was that said that. That same person said the same thing about Electivire. I might use:

Luxray@ item
Ability: Rivalry/Intimidate
~Attract/Captivate/Fire Fang
~Crunch
~Ice Fang
~Thunderbolt
 
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