1st RMT. let's make it a good-un

willwills

Right, I'm fairly new to the Competitive pokemon scene, despite having played every single generation of the cartridge games. My initial thoughts on entering the scene were somewhat ones of annoyance, with a few pokemon seemingly used by everyone on every team. while i must confess to being guilty of this myself in the team I have constructed below, i still prefer not to follow overly spammed trends.

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@ Occa Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 184 HP/242 Atk/84 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Explosion

Lead 'gross is in the team to set up a stealth rock, as well as being solid enough to hit many anti-leads hard. Bullet punch is useful in hitting Aerodactyl, as well as ninjask to prevent/hinder a baton pass. Explosion was initially trick, although the failure of this tactic combined with explosion's ability to take out anything that might particulalry give me trouble (e.g. early switch-in gyarados) was well worth the switch. Not had much trouble with this, but is consistantly outdone by skarmory/forretress in terms of hazard setup.
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@ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 22 HP/252 Atk/236 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Roost

'British' Gliscor I have found to be a great asset to my team, as everything else singularly fails to even put a dent in curselax/blissey for long. that being said, I have been searching for something able to do the same job without the 4x ice weakness that already plagues Salamence (see below).
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@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Iron Head
- Thunderpunch

Able to reliably revenge-kill a whole bunch of stuff, particularly the Latias/flygon that 'mence fears, this Jirachi has been the saviour of many a match that has gone pear-shaped. The punches + head cover almost everything i come across (except kingdra, blissey & Curselax), and it also makes a reliable choice when i don't know what he's switching in (i.e. after early game metagross suicide). Lack of power seems to be the only minor issue I have come across.
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@ Leftovers
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Substitute
- Waterfall

Kingdra is potentially my most powerful pokemon, and the one i usually hold in reserve until all my opponent's dragon users have been dispatched. with only one weakness, kingdra can usually be counted on to switch into something waterfall-phobic, DDance on the switch a rain doom down on my opponent. Substitute was included mainly to avoid the nasty status that Blissey keeps dealing out to me while i DDance enough to dent it.
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@ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 38 Atk/252 Spd/220 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Thunder Fang

MixMence v2 is the heavy hitter i use either when my opponent has taken a good spread of damage from SR or is using something it, and only it, can take out with its wide coverage. T fang is included over the recommended outrage to deal with evil water-type ice beamers. However, this salamence is constantly being smashed by faster Latias's and Flygons when i can't get the switch in to Jiachi.
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@ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Charge Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Raikou helps to cover weaknesses, both resisting the electic attacs that try to frazzle Kingdra/mence and having a good special coverage of annoying rotom-A/gengar, Latias and vaporeon. I have been considering swapping charge beam for CM, to get around life Orb damage and to have something to do as the opp swithes into a possible ground immunity.
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Overall, the team has been extremely successful. however, as i have outlined i consistently had trouble with:

  • Entry Hazard abuse teams
  • Flygon/Latias vs MixMence
  • Machamp, if not killed by Metagross's Explosion
  • Infernape, burning/SR'ing through Jirachi, 'Gross, 'Mence and sometimes Gliscor/Raikou
To help fix some of these issues, i have been considering some of the following:

  • Replacing Metagross with Cloyster for more ice power vs dragons, rapid spin and entry hazards
  • Replacing Metagross with Tentacruel for early water power, spin and toxic spikes
  • Replaing 'Mence with Flygon to remove SR weakness and help outspeed other dragons
Obviousely, while i hope to have some understanding of the metagame I am not nearly as experianced as most of the people on here and would highly appreciate any help offered.
 
Scarfrachi is Overused.

Anyway, that Raikou doesn't seem to be pulling it's weight. You have Gliscor's EQ to hurt electric types. Your only issue is bulky waters. Make it a ScarfCelebi, who can kill them with LeafStorm and speed tie with +1 Mence, as well as have an electric resistance.

Thunder Fang is shit. Outrage does more against everything not named Gyara. Seeing as you can't outspeed +1 Gyara, put Outrage/TFang.

Thank you. Mayhap I'll do a better rate later.
 
willwills said:
have tried you're suggestions

out of 10 battles, I won... 0
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Don't be so harsh on the suggestions!

Anyway, I agree with the fact that Thunderfang is really a lost moveslot on Salamence. Perhaps you could try Roost there. It will let you heal from Stealth Rock damage + the recoil damage from Life Orb. I also suggest a little more SAtk EV's, you can take those from Atk, 16 Atk, 240 SpA, 252 Spe.

On Gliscor don't use a Lonely nature, that will only decrease his defensive stat which is a shame, especially since your not using any special attack. I suggest a Jolly nature instead. Also, I think an alternative EV spread would be more beneficial: 252 HP, 40 Def, 216 Spe.

With both wallbreaking Salamence and Gliscor on your teams, you shouldn't have any problem with Stall teams (you call them entry hazards abusing teams) as Taunt prevents those hazards from being set up, Salamence can sweep the most common walls used in these teams, Skarmory and Blissey.

You can put the remaining 4 EV's on Jirachi in Defense.

If you want an Electric move resist and that is capable to so good in OU, I suggest Jolteon instead of Raikou. Same moveset and EV's spread though.

Hope this helped!
 
Really, swapping 25 hp, 15 def, 5 SPA & 5 SPD just for Volt absorb and 15 speed? The only OU pokemon Jolteon outspeeds that Raikou doesn't is weavile, and Raikou resists electric as it is, but with 30 extra base defenses.
However, never let it be said I don't at least try things out - off i go!

P.S. would Suicide Lead Froslass make an acceptable alternative to Metagross?
 
Quick rate that won't alter your lineup (because its QUICK):

Metagross (don't replace it with cloyster/tentacruel...just don't)

Change explosion to meteor mash to effectively deal with azelf & various other leads that bullet punch simply doesn't pack enough punch for. Change the ev spread to 236 HP / 228 Atk / 20 Def / 24 Spe. Its simply better. Oh and against Machamp...meteor mash twice, you'll win.

Gliscor (It's not British if it doesn't have sand veil)

Keep it how it is, but change the ability to sand veil. change the spread to 4def/252HP/252Spe. so yeah,change it! You shouldn't have too much trouble against semi stall (entry hazard teams) with this gliscor...EDIT: CHANGE THE NATURE TO JOLLY T_T

Jirachi

Fine how it is, if anything is changed you become more open to mence/gyara/various other things that require certain coverage/speed.

Kingdra

Change evs to 32HP/224Spe/252Atk as you dont need max speed. This outspeeds adamant max gyara. Change ability to swift swim.

Salamence (don't replace it with flygon/latias,you'll have a harder time with all forms of stall)

Change moveset to draco meteor,earthquake,fire blast,outrage/roost(i prefer outrage on this team). thunderfang does only slightly more damage to waters than a -2 d.meteor. basically not worth a move slot. change the evs to 252spe/252spec.atk/4def with a naive nature unless you use outrage, in which case move 16 evs from spec.tk to atk.

Raikou (don't replace it with jolteon,Raikou is better :P)

Change the moveset to calm mind,hp ice,thunderbolt,shadow ball.



I'd explain reasons alot better if I had time,but I don't. It shouldn't be hard to see why you should change the above though.GL

P.S. No it wouldn't.
 
kk, have tried both suggestions;
@Delko: Jolteon worked out just as i expected. he won me a few games, but never seemed to be available to take an electric hit when needed
@SushiOnToast: CM Raikou I found to be marginally better than any of the 3 previous pokemon I'd had in the slot. and especially thanks for the 'gross/kingdra advice, it turned them out much better.
 
I recommend running a different spread on your Jirachi. As nice as it is to speed tie with a +1 mence, It's just going to kill you with EQ if it wins the speed tie, and I personally don't feel that it's worth it. I believe that the suggested spread is 100HP/252 Atk/ 152 Spe. This allows you to outspeed almost any scarfer and still take +1 attacks after stealth rocks.
 
I have on thing that I think you haven't noticed yet, Blissey sometimes carries Ice Beam, which will KO Gliscor, and since you don't know if it'll carry it or not, you'll probably be screwed... so I'd suggest changing your statement that although you can dent Blissey, it can die doing it... I'd also expand your descriptions a little bit... :D
 
have swapped gliscor for an identical aerodactyl, works better overall.
However, now i REALLY need a spinner, are there any slots where one cold fit? Forretress lead, perhaps?
 
i am not sure why you have changed gliscor to a Aerodactyl. Awrodactyl finctions best as a lead and Meta is already your lead. Aero just does not have the bulk to pull off what Gliscor does. Plus Aerodactyl is maimed by a Scizor or Metagross Bullet Punch. Gliscor handles both pokemon with ease, keep gliscor over Aerodactyl.

You stated that you want a spinner and I believe that a Starmie can function as your spinner. It could go over Raikou as kingdr aand Salamence as not weak to electric attacks and Gliscor deals with electric atacks anyway. Starmie removes any hazards such as SR with rapid spin and still hits hard and fast.
 
Seeing as what you seem to really be lacking right now is a resistance to ground in a reliable physical wall and need a spinner, what immediately comes to mind for me is Donphan. Here's the set:

Donphan @Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 188 Atk / 68 Def
~ Rapid Spin
~ Earthquake
~ Assurance
~ Stealth Rock / Ice Shard / Roar

Personally, I would choose Ice Shard in the last slot, as it actually does damage (unless of course you need a phazer), and maybe replace Assurance with something like body slam for the paralysis. I don't see the overall advisability of Assurance in OU, as Donphan might just be KOed by the damage required to use the move to its maximum potential.

I'd probably use this set over gliscor, as it sounds you want to get rid of it. Hope that I helped!
 
right, have completed testing with each suggestion:
replacing aero with gliscor and raikou with starmie i won 50% of matches
replacing aero with donphan I won 80% of matches, and am seriousely considering using this set
(this is usually the part where Ice-Eyes rants at me about 'oh but it can't do XYZ'...)
 
I would also suggest donphan, as donphan counters DD mence, as the common mence + magnezone combo will destroy you. Due to Jirachi being trapped by magnezone, and DD mence taking out your whole team, metagross has something to say, but leads are not realiable revenge killers, and is taken out by magnezone anyway.

Donphan with ice shard solves this problem and helps your own mence out. I would also like to point out that you have no resist to dark or ghost attacks. I strongly recomend fixing this. Perhaps fitting in a tyranitar would solve this.

Why use thunder fang on salamence, outrage does more to bulky waters due to stab, except gyrados, who is OHKOed by dracco meteor after rocks, and empoleon who is OHKOed by earthquake.
 
No need for thunder fang really you have an awesome revenge killer and can even switch into DD gdos and t punch....You should use the New Mix mence set that way you can take of some of those walls which will let pokes like your CM Raikou and your DD kingdra sweep a little easier
 
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