Resource 2v2 Doubles Old Gens Hub

[yuki]

Old Generation 2v2 Doubles Megathread
This thread serves as both a repository for oldgen 2v2 resources and a secondary hub for their discussion.

FAQ:

Q: Where are these metagames playable?
A: At current, they are only able to be played in ROM, but there's a chance they could also be challengable on the main server.

Q: Where do I go to discuss the current generation?
A: There's a thread in the OM forum.

General Resources:
2v2 Room
2v2 Discord

 

[yuki]

SWSH 2v2​

Ruleset: Standard Doubles, Accuracy Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Calyrex-Ice, Calyrex-Shadow, Eternatus, Jirachi, Kyurem-White, Lunala, Magearna, Marshadow, Melmetal, Mewtwo, Necrozma-Dusk Mane, Necrozma-Dawn Wings, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Tornadus, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, Urshifu-Single-Strike, Whimsicott, Zacian, Zacian-Crowned, Zamazenta, Zamazenta-Crowned, Zekrom, Ally Switch, Focus Sash, Perish Song

Challenge Code: /challenge gen8doublesou @ +Kartana, -Cottonee, -Whimsicott, -Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, -Tornadus, -Focus Sash, -Ally Switch, -Final Gambit, -Perish Song, Picked Team Size=2, Max Team Size=4

VR Council: Morgan hayedenn yuki Chris32156

Resources:

Viability Rankings

S
Cinderace
Indeedee-F
Victini

A+
Genesect
Incineroar
Rillaboom
Zygarde

A
Celesteela
Kyurem-Black
Talonflame
Togekiss
Volcanion
Zeraora

A-
Blastoise
Diancie
Landorus-T
Metagross
Naganadel
Regidrago
Sableye
Zapdos-Galar

B+
Cresselia
Dracovish
Ferrothorn
Heatran
Mew
Nihilego
Ninetales-Alola
Pheromosa
Regieleki
Tapu Fini
Zapdos

B
Amoonguss
Arctovish
Kingdra
Moltres-Galar
Politoed
Porygon2
Snorlax
Tapu Lele
Tsareena
Tyranitar

B-
Gastrodon
Kartana
Marowak-Alola
Latios
Landorus
Suicune
Volcarona

C+
Barraskewda
Clefairy
Grimmsnarl
Oranguru
Shedinja
Slowbro
Tapu Koko
Weavile
Weezing-Galar

C
Blacephalon
Blaziken
Duraludon
Nidoking
Rhyperior

C-
Scolipede

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/dbb3b263138384be

Sample Teams:

Volc-Vish-Gen-Rilla by Hugo
Gastrolego by Hugo
New Regiman Team by Hugo
Lorb Kyurem by Hugo

 

[Blanched]

USUM 2v2​

Ruleset: Pokemon, Standard Doubles, Accuracy Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Z-Move Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Ally Switch, Arceus, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Jirachi, Kangaskhan-Mega, Kyogre, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Magearna, Marshadow, Mewtwo, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Salamence-Mega, Solgaleo, Tapu Lele, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Power Construct, Focus Sash, Dark Void, Final Gambit, Perish Song and Gravity + Sleep

Challenge Code: /challenge gen7doublesou @@@ Accuracy Moves Clause, Z Move Clause, Sleep Clause Mod, -Focus Sash, -Tapu Lele, +Snorlax, -Salamence-Mega, -Perish Song, -Final Gambit, -Ally Switch, +Gengar-Mega, Picked Team Size=2, Max Team Size = 4

VR Council: Blanched yuki Morgan

Resources:

Viability Rankings

S Rank
Metagross-Mega

S- Rank
Incineroar

A+ Rank
Charizard-Mega-Y
Loppuny-Mega
Mawile-Mega
Tapu Fini
Tapu-Koko
Victini

A Rank
Deoxys-Attack
Gyarados-Mega:
Hoopa-Unbound
Kyurem-Black
Landorus
Zygarde

A- Rank
Blastoise-Mega
Charizard-Mega-X
Shaymin-Sky
Suicune
Swampert-Mega
Tapu-Bulu
Venusaur-Mega
Zapdos
Zeraora

B+ Rank
Blaziken-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Celesteela
Cresselia
Landorus-Therian
Latias-Mega
Manectric-Mega
Mew
Venusaur
Volcanion

B Rank
Diancie
Garchomp-Mega
Genesect
Heatran

B- Rank
Amoonguss
Heracross-Mega
Latios-Mega
Marowak-Alola
Medicham-Mega
Mimikyu
Primarina
Tyranitar-Mega
Volcarona

C+ Rank
Aegislash
Aerodactyl-Mega
Altaria-Mega
Arcanine
Kartana
Lucario-Mega
Porygon2
Sceptile-Mega

C Rank
Azumarill
Entei
Pelipper
Pinsir-Mega
Sableye-Mega
Steelix-Mega
Whimsicott

C- Rank
Gengar-Mega
Kommo-o
Naganadel
Stakataka

D Rank
Banette-Mega
Blacephalon
Clefairy
Excadrill
Greninja
Shaymin
Terrakion
Togetic

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/8691cfebe5b38b6e

Sample Teams:


Freeze Shock Kyub by Blanched


MMaw FWG by Blanched


Scarf Kyub + Volcanion by Blanched


Double WP

 

[yuki]

ORAS 2v2
​

Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, OHKO Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Moody Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

​

Bans: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Giratina-Origin, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem-White, Xerneas, Yveltal, Kangaskhan-Mega, Salamence-Mega, Dark Void, Perish Song, Soul Dew, Focus Sash and Gravity + Sleep

Challenge Code: /challenge gen6doublesou @@@ Accuracy Moves Clause, -Focus Sash, -Perish Song, -Final Gambit, -Kangaskhan-Mega, -Ally Switch, Picked Team Size=2, Max Team Size = 4

VR Council: Morgan Mishimono yuki Blanched

Resources:

Viability Rankings

S+
Metagross-Mega

S
Mega Charizard
Lopunny-Mega
Mawile-Mega
Talonflame

S-
Garchomp-Mega
Swampert-Mega
(Mega) Venusaur

A+
Suicune
(Mega) Tyranitar
Hoopa-Unbound
Victini
Manectric-Mega

A
Kyurem-Black
Shaymin-Sky
(Mega) Gyarados
Zapdos
Mew
Cresselia
Volcanion
Landorus-Therian
Entei

A-
Togekiss
Politoed
Blaziken-Mega
(Mega) Diancie
Porygon2
Terrakion
(Mega) Blastoise
Infernape
Aerodactyl-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Landorus
Deoxys-Attack
Amoonguss
Heatran
(Mega) Sableye

B+
Keldeo
(Mega) Latios
(Mega) Latias
Thundurus
Volcarona
Gardevoir-Mega
Darkrai
Clefairy
Disable Encore
Lucario-Mega

B
Gengar-Mega
Genesect
Scrafty
Sylveon
Steelix-Mega
Arcanine

B-
Hariyama
Azumarill
Medicham-Mega
Rhyperior
Heracross-Mega
Sceptile-Mega
Excadrill
Hypno

C+
Altaria-Mega
Abomasnow-Mega
Gastrodon
Greninja (Torrent)
Ludicolo

C
Mamoswine
Electabuzz
Furret
Salamence
Aegislash

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/eea15fbbf765b289


Double Mega Talonflame by yuki


Funny haha by Morgan


Hoe-ing Supremacy + Weird Rock by Morgan


Reflect Type Latias by yuki

 

[yuki]

BW 2v2
​

Banlist: DOU Banlist + Focus Sash, Perish Song, Final Gambit, Accuracy Reducing Moves, Kingdra, Ally Switch

Unbanlist: None

Challenge Code: /challenge gen5doublesou @@@ Accuracy Moves Clause, -Focus Sash, -Kingdra, -Final Gambit, -Perish Song, Picked Team Size=2, Max Team Size = 4

Council
Itchy
D2TheW
Vrji
yuki

Resources:
VRJI MADE A SETS COMPENDIUM

Viability Rankings

S Rank
Kyurem-B
Metagross
Scrafty

S- Rank
Infernape
Latios
Thundurus
Tornadus
Volcarona

A+ Rank
Genesect

A Rank
Jellicent
Shaymin-S
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Victini

A- Rank
Deoxys-A
Keldeo
Terrakion

B+ Rank
Excadrill

B Rank
Aerodactyl
Amoonguss
Chandelure
Cresselia
Darkrai
Gastrodon
Heatran
Latias
Mamoswine
Mew
Politoed
Thundurus-T
Weavile

B- Rank
Ferrothorn
Hariyama
Hitmontop
Ludicolo
Manaphy
Snorlax
Suicune

C+ Rank
Archeops
Deoxys-D
Kabutops

C Rank
Blastoise
Blaziken
Landorus-T
Ninetales
Porygon2
Rotom-W
Venusaur

C- Rank
Alakazam
Bronzong
Hydreigon
Kyurem
Landorus
Liepard
Lucario
Rotom-H

Resource Archive

Role Compendium

1. Field Effects
Sun:
Chlorophyll:
Rain:
Swift Swim:
Sandstorm:
Sand Rush:
Tailwind:
Trick Room:
Trick Room User:

2. Utility
Follow Me:
Rage Powder:
Storm Drain:
Lightning Rod / Volt Absorb:
Helping Hand:
Prankster:
Inner Focus:
Fake Out:
Feint:
Wide Guard:
Defiant:
Priority Attacks:
Sky Drop:

3. Damage Reduction
Intimidate: :
Snarl:

4. Status
Sleep:
Burn:
Paralysis:

Speed Tiers

40: Min speed Ferrothorn / Escavalier
49: Min speed Dusclops
58: Min speed Snorlax / Reuniclus / Cofagrigus
63: Min speed Bronzong
74: Min speed Gastrodon
76: 0 Ferrothorn / Escavalier / Min speed Rhyperior
85: Min speed Conkeldurr
86: 0 Dusclops
89: Min speed Hippowdon
94: Min speed Hariyama
96: 0 Snorlax / Reuniclus / Cofagrigus
102: 0 Bronzong
112: Min speed Abomasnow / Jellicent / Porygon2
114: 0 Gastrodon / Min speed Tyranitar
116: 0 Rhyperior
126: 0 Crustle / Conkeldurr / Golem
130: Min speed Politoed / 0 Hippowdon
136: 0 Hariyama / Chansey / Registeel / Azumarill
143: Min speed Heatran
146: 0 Blissey
152: 0 Scrafty
156: 0 Jellicent / Magnezone / Porygon2 / Clefable / Abomasnow
157: Min speed Cresselia
158: 0 Tyranitar
159: 252 Snorlax
166: Min speed Deoxys-Defense / 0 Umbreon
176: 0 Metagross / Politoed / Hitmontop
179: 252 Rhyperior
189: 252 Conkeldurr
190: 0 Heatran
196: 0 Dragonite / Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade / Venusaur
198: 0 Gyarados
206: 0 Cresselia / Sawk / Suicune / Heracross
208: 0 Rotom-Wash
215: 252 Scrafty
216: 0 Meloetta / Deoxys-Defense / Porygon-Z / Moltres
218: 0 Landorus-T
221: 252 Tyranitar
226: 0 Kyurem-Black
230: 0 Haxorus
232: 0 Hydreigon
236: 0 Manaphy / Mew / Jirachi / Celebi / Slaking / Victini / Zapdos / Salamence
238: 0 Landorus
239: 252 Metagross / Breloom / Politoed / Hitmontop
240: 0 Garchomp
240: 252+ Magnezone
252: 0 Galvantula
253: 252 Heatran
256: 0 Latias
259: 252 Dragonite / Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade / Venusaur
261: 252 Gyarados
262: 252+ Metagross / Breloom / Politoed / Hitmontop
266: 0 Raikou / Starmie
269: 252 Kingdra / Cresselia / Suicune / Heracross
271: 252 Rotom-Wash
273: 252+ Smeargle
278: 252+ Heatran
279: 252 Porygon-Z / Meloetta / Moltres
281: 252 Landorus-T
284: 252+ Dragonite / Chandelure / Togekiss / Gallade
287: 252+ Gyarados
289: 252 Kyurem-Black / Darmanitan
293: 252 Haxorus
295: 252+ Sawk / Suicune / Heracross
295: 252+ Kingdra / 252 Hydreigon
297: 252 Genesect
298: 252+ Rotom-Wash
299: 252 Manaphy / Mew / Celebi / Slaking / Victini / Volcarona / Staraptor / Zapdos / Salamence
301: Landorus-T
302: 252+ Excadrill
303: 252 Garchomp
306: 252+ Porygon-Z / Meloetta / Moltres
309: 252+ Landorus-T
315: 252 Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / Galvantula / Virizion
317: 252+ Kyurem-Black / Darmanitan
317: 252 Durant
319: 252 Latios / Latias / Gengar
322: 252+ Haxorus
324: 252+ Hydreigon
326: 252+ Genesect
328: 252+ Mew / Victini / Manaphy / Celebi / Slaking / Volcarona / Staraptor / Zapdos / Salamence
329: 252 Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
331: 252+ Landorus / Thundurus-Therian
333: 252+ Garchomp
339: 252 Alakazam
341: 252 Tornadus-T
346: 252+ Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / Galvantula / Virizion
348: 252+ Durant
349: 252 Weavile
350: 252+ Latios / Latias / Gengar / Jumpluff / Archeops
358: Scarf 252 Metagross
358: +2 252+ Carracosta
361: 252+ Raikou / Starmie / Cinccino
365: Scarf 252+ Tyranitar
372: 252+ Alakazam
375: 252+ Tornadus-T
378: +2 252 Crustle
383: 252+ Weavile
388: Scarf 252 Dragonite / Chandelure / Togekiss
392: Tailwind 0 Dragonite
393: Scarf 252+ Metagross
394: 252+ Aerodactyl
399: 252 Deoxys-Attack
403: Scarf 252 Sawk
412: Scarf 252 Excadrill
419: Scarf 252 Porygon-Z
421: Scarf 252 Landorus-T
426: Scarf 252+ Dragonite / Chandelure / Togekiss
433: Scarf 252 Kyurem-Black / Darmanitan
438: 252+ Deoxys-Attack
439: Scarf 252 Haxorus
442: Scarf 252+ Sawk
442: Scarf 252 Hydreigon
445: Scarf 252 Genesect
448: Scarf 252 Slaking / Victini / Staraptor
453: Scarf 252+ Excadrill
454: Scarf 252 Garchomp
459: 252 Deoxys-Speed
462: Scarf 252+ Porygon-Z
463: Scarf 252+ Landorus-T
472: Scarf 252 Keldeo / Infernape / Terrakion / 0 Tailwind Zapdos
475: Scarf 252+ Kyurem-Black / Darmanitan
478: Scarf 252 Latios / Archeops
482: Scarf 252+ Haxorus
486: Scarf 252+ Hydreigon
489: Scarf 252+ Genesect
492: Scarf 252+ Slaking / Victini
499: Scarf 252+ Garchomp
504: 252+ Deoxys-Speed
518: 252 Tailwind Dragonite
519: Scarf 252+ Keldeo
525: Scarf 252+ Latios / Archeops
550: 252 Sand Rush Excadrill
568: Tailwind 252+ Dragonite
598: 252 Tailwind Zapdos
599: Scarf 252 Deoxys-Attack
604: 252+ Sand Rush Excadrill
656: 252+ Tailwind Zapdos
657: Scarf 252+ Deoxys-Attack

Sets Compendium

https://pokepast.es/2057c616e81d4284

Sample Teams (Click on the sprites to view the paste):


Top 4 mons in the tier


Thundurus Offense


Ludicolo Rain


BW Godsquad by D2TheW

 

[crow crumbs]

can we ban thundurus, latios, aero, liepard and kyub from bw and then maybe we can start playing some real pokemon THANKS!

 

[Morgan]

SM/ORAS Thoughts after week 3 of 2v2PL4 (These are my opinions don't cancel me why is everyone trying to cancel me its just an opinion stop trying to cancel me for having an opinion)

Breakout Performers so far:
Blastoise
Toise is absolutely cooking people up w mega and non-mega. It's proven itself as the best follow me user in the tier and also a top borderline 10 pokemon as a mega alone in SM and ORAS

Victini
Victini in both gens is absolutely electric (and fire and psychic), White Herb is a crazy evolution that gives Vic so much more juice on both ends of the court. It might be losing a decent number of games in sm but its still a demon to deal with in builder/preview

Cresselia
Cresselia is a MENACE this tour, it's incredibly hard to kill, its got the utility you want it to have, and you can't necessarily just leave it alone, definitely a resurgence of utility pokemon this tour

ELECTABUZZ AND MAGMAR???
Oh my goodness fucking gracious WHO LET THEM COOK?????????? These are genuinely the #2 and #3 redirectors in both tiers, and can even be more versatile than Mr. Blas "Your Moves Follow Me and X are Incompatible" Toise. Their bulk is fantastic and Static/Flame Body are unbelievably useful tools for just completely robbing games. I genuinely don't think I can treat them as jokes anymore. Ebuzz is slightly better in SM than in ORAS and Magmar is slightly better in ORAS than SM IMO.

Disappointing Sad Sacks
Kyurem-Black
KyuB is kinda just getting it handed to him so far this tour, it's not winning games, it looks really bad almost every time. It's getting to the point where that pokemon is comically exploitable

Mega Venusaur
Mega Venusaur cannot catch a break this mon keeps LOSING. please stop running charm or whatever this mon has 2 move sets and they're only 1 move different. I still think this is probably a top 3 mon in SM im ngl

Pokemon Who Are Doing Very Well Just As We Expected Them To:

Mega Metagross
Mega Metagross is on a tear this tour in SM and ORAS remaining as THE mon to beat and still coming out on top way more often than not in the end

Pokemon who I had to tell "Please go home you're scaring the Hoes":

Tapu Koko
Fun Fact: Every series of SM that has involved at least 1 player bringing Koko was won by the player that brought Koko fewer times
this mon is irredeemable in my eyes. It doesn't do anything it's a fraud A+ rank that deserves B tops. It's the worst electric type you can be using, it's the worst fairy type you can be using, it's the worst sky dropper you can be using. Role Compression can only go so far when you're dealing with a bad starting point

 

[Arcanine1929]

Sad i sold in semis, but ill post my teams and some thoughts from the tour. Dont take them seriously i didnt play much of one tier tbf
https://pokepast.es/9353642380cba465 I also built a lot of old gens for the squad but not gonna post those

Bw first:
B -> B+ sky drop is a very nice and its faster than everything non scarfed
A -> A+ in all my bw... i have one. one. one victini, and its fire gem so idk i havent even thought about it generally. But yeah like 3 or 4 sets and they are all incredible, can basically slot in on any team.
I generally didnt use any low tier mons either but c- -> c+ nice utility, can be good sometimes but not really

Oras, played it like once and i sucked
Staring at the vr tho i see was used... once so far in pools and it lost, idk, just seems bad every team i tried to work with it it failed so... S- -> A.... maybe

SM, also didnt play much but koko sucks just use zera nerd A+ -> B+
Also A+ -> s- icy wind + other stuff and its just an annoying threat to deal with and account for

Bye nerds, cyall in classic or wtver we are doing

 

[crow crumbs]

Personal VRs for the classic gens with some notes

BW:

• Obviously the meta is extremely centralized, I've kind of grown to appreciate the power dynamics at play since the start of the 2v2pl but I still would not call it "good". I think banning Liepard/Aero for unhealthiness would be a positive change (can elaborate more if this picks up any steam).
• The lack of Landorus usage (brought 0 times all tour!!) was a big shock to me. There are a lot of little quirks of BW that do hurt it's [theoretical] viability. Choice scarf users, particularly kyub, are generally a lot more runnable here than in other gens and nape being a top tier fake out user is really awkward for it. With that being said, landorus is like a fundamentally solid 2v2 mon in my eyes and its surely at least on a similar level to Thundurus-T.
• Conk just has insane stats w/ gem and seems strong into a lot of anti-meta stuff that gets run.
• Trick room is honestly really bad in this gen. The setters face a ton of trouble and BW gems are so cracked that fast threats can usually do more than excess damage anyway. Aerodactyls existence is also just backbreaking.

ORAS:

• I don't really feel like I'm putting out a hot take when I say Mawile fell off atp. Every viable oras team will a fire type that makes positioning with it really difficult but the rise of blastoise as a main redirector (and even magmar as an alt pick) has been a death sentence. It's still great with support but theres a lot of lower commitment megas.
• Mega Diancie feels really sleeper rn. Its true that Mmeta is so cracked that even with like victini+blastoise it's hard to feel like you have a truly secure line into it without a fire mega. It's also extremely exploitable by feint/setup/speed control since pretty much any Diancie line without turn 1 protect is kinda just unclickable. Even acknowledging those pain points though, its extremely potent into toge+fire cores and is capable of beating its threats with redirect support. I'm holding off on calling it a top tier because of the Multigen Rise of Blastoise but I think it's one of the more conspicous threats in the meta.

SM:

• Zeraora is so obviously ahead of everything else in my eyes. Its a massive threat itself but it also passively supports any setup mons next it just by virtue of 143 speed fake out and/or taunt.
• Kartana vr rank is just a travesty. It's very generally strong and tailwind means it's always giving some value even when its not directly threatening.
• I could see a case for Blaziken-Mega being S in sm since it's one of the few pokemon that can actually take advantage of Zeraora and usually can create a pretty solvable opening.
• I think I rate Zygarde unusually high compared to other people which I honestly don't really understand. It's extremely hard to stop if it gets free turns from fake out/redirect/intim and also has the bulk to not be fully reliant on support. Espeed is guaranteed value and 2hkos most things at +1 with lorb. It's obviously very flexible and techable but, honestly, it's impossible to go wrong with tarrows/espeed/tect/dd lorb.